Two-time NBA MVP Nikola Jokic is known as one of the best offensive players in the league. His defense is often ignored, but Jimmy Butler thinks that the Serbian center is actually a very good defender.

“I think he does well for what he’s able to do,” Butler said about Joker’s defense. “He moves his feet well, he’s constantly making guys make decisions whenever they get into the paint.

“And then his outlet passes from a defensive rebound are very, very, very elite that’s been doing his entire career. As much as everybody looks at what he does on the offensive side of the ball, he’s a hell of a defender as well.”