In this VladTV clip, former NBA star guard Gary Payton talked about reuniting with former Los Angeles Lakers teammate Shaquille O’Neal as a member of the Miami Heat.

He recalled pulling Shaq to the side and telling him Dwayne Wade needed to be their go-to guy moving forward after the Hall of Fame center rejected the idea during a team meeting.

Payton recalled winning his only NBA title with the Heat before explaining why he has Shaq’s underwear framed. To hear Payton’s explanation, check out the clip below: