Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes on Tim Duncan vs. Kobe Bryant

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The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by NBA champions Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes about the inception of the ‘All the Smoke’ podcast, their thoughts on the NBA playoffs prior to the league shut down, Matt’s time at the Clippers during the Donald Sterling era, the complex chemistry of the “Lob City” Clippers, the “We Believe” Warriors, (18:57) Tim Duncan vs. Kobe Bryant, the best teams they’ve ever played on, and much more: