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Differences between Euroleague and NBA
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(Jun 17, 2010, 11:15 pm)forum troll Wrote: No he does not. Extremely overrated, over hyped. Totally created by the NBA and ACB marketing programs along with Spanish Basketball Federation. Mediocre at best player. Everyone in USA claims he is best player in the history of Europe. Entire Euroleague and ACB marketing budget is spent on him.

Prima donna, spoiled, little brat actions and attitude. Special treatment from the refs, etc. Rubio has no business being in Europe. Only the NBA for guys like him.

NBA is commercial League.They play 82 games between each other it's boring and stupid to watch.With no defence and is played only for money.Euroleague is for sure best league in the world.I mean REAL BASKETBALL.With fights,die heart fans and other.
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(Jun 18, 2010, 12:41 am)stefans Wrote: NBA is commercial League.They play 82 games between each other it's boring and stupid to watch.With no defence and is played only for money.Euroleague is for sure best league in the world.I mean REAL BASKETBALL.With fights,die heart fans and other.

Yep, agree 100%. Too bad though that the media marketing determines whatever 90% of the people think and since then NBA is "the whole world of basketball" for the US side.
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#3
USA has it's own everything. With their budget sports and hot-dog family audience. Every sport is the same in the USA. They all play a bunch of games, and the one that wins is the World Champion... Wow, bravo!

Europe rules, because in every sport there is huge tension and every year there r different champs and surprises r more than possible!
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(Jun 18, 2010, 12:41 am)stefans Wrote: NBA is commercial League.They play 82 games between each other it's boring and stupid to watch.With no defence and is played only for money.Euroleague is for sure best league in the world.I mean REAL BASKETBALL.With fights,die heart fans and other.

%100 ! I prefer a euroleague game to NBA game
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#5
Honestly? the biggest differences? Heart&Passion

going to a basketball\baseball\football game in America is like going to the movies for them...when a Sacramento fan saw a clip of the European fans he said it's like a College game on steroids...they don't have the true love and passion that we have in Europe
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(Jun 19, 2010, 8:02 pm)Maccabi_Fan19 Wrote: Honestly? the biggest differences? Heart&Passion

going to a basketball\baseball\football game in America is like going to the movies for them...when a Sacramento fan saw a clip of the European fans he said it's like a College game on steroids...they don't have the true love and passion that we have in Europe

American fans satiated. They're watchin like in colosseum gladiators with slaving.they enjoy that
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#7
In the NBA it's not natural, I enjoy watching it, it's good basketball and the biggest stars play there but it'll never make me feel what Maccabi makes me feel, I'll never be excited when the Spurs win the championship like I am when Maccabi wins the euroleague, it feels.. synthetic. everything, from sadness to happyness is just not the same.

European basketball (for me) is full of feelings, excitement, NBA feels like entertainment..

And let's not talk about the crowd (if u can call the americans crowd) differences. Biggrin
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#8
I find some of these comments intersting and a bit comical For example:

Stefans: "With no defence and is played only for money.Euroleague is for sure best league in the world.I mean REAL BASKETBALL.With fights,die heart fans and other."

I chose this because so many people agreed with you. Also because of your assertions that NBA is not real basketball or that it doesnt play defence. Are you saying the NBA doesn't play defence or that Europe plays "better" defence. I disagree with you. I believe NBA plays better defence than Euroleague and Europe as a whole. Here are my humble opinions:

Defence:NBA plays better defence than Euroleague. The best indicator of this is international competitions between team USA and European teams. Both in 2008 olympics and 2010 world cup were made up of NBA players. If europe plays better defence then why are most of the teams that play USA held to a lower shooting percentage? USA "usually" leads is all the classic defensive stats. Forced turnovers, steals, blocked shots, Converting defence into points. If you don't believe me go do research and look for yourself. It was most enjoyable to me seeing Team USA intercepting passes by getting a hand in the passing lanes. This is elementry fundamental defence but international teams did not defend USA well. I often wondered why aren't these teams defending?? To me European defence has more of a "sit and wait" philosophy. Just get in a zone and wait for the offense to make a move. This is boring to me. It shows less heart and challenge. To be honest the main difference/advantage between USA and European style of play is defensive tenacity. This is why USA is so sucessful recently and in the 90's. Simply the USA can guard Europe but Europe can not guard the USA. So yeah NBA > Euro-league in defence. Just look at the statistics in last two events. I believe you are so use to looking at flashy offence and you forget that defense is why they win. lol

Real basketball: What does this mean? If you are refering to strict adherence to fundamentals then yes NBA is real basketball. passing, rebounding, boxing out, dribbling, defence. Again look at the statistics USA is equal or greate in many of the fundamental statistics. Many times USA out rebounded larger, stronger teams. Why is this? because NBA players in WC/OG showed better rebounding skill. As in boxing out and getting the best position. Offensive rebounding is the other big reason for USA sucess.

If euro-league is real basketball why can't they play better defence and rebound better against NBA league??

Fights??: Are you saying Euro-league is better because there are more fights? If I want to see fights I'll watch MMA, UFC or boxing.

Efes4ever: "American fans satiated. They're watchin like in colosseum gladiators with slaving.they enjoy that"

Next this was the "most" intersting comment. To say that Americans are fully satified with the NBA league is not only false BUT laughable! I also wonder what you mean by saying Americans like gladiator and slavery. 1st. you agreed with Stefans "100%!!"that you like fighting and gladiators are from ancient rome which is in Europe. By your own admission You like brutalty. 2nd why do you call American/NBA basketball slavery. Is this remark in relation that to the fact that many of NBA ballers are black?? Maybe the passion that you all like is cursing at players and throwing bananas at players from Africa. Is this the fights and passion that Europe you enjoys? Since you agree 100%

Now to answer the original question Euro-leage vs NBA differences.

Creativity: NBA is more creative and has more entertaining dynamic. The game is pretty, beautiful even as well as efficent and fundamental. I enjoy this balance. This is not always the case. Sometimes this balnce is not achived in the NBA but compared to Euroleague its just better.


To me NBA is like how the Brasilians use to play soccer football the "beautiful game" they call it. The Germans are also good but known for there tactics. To me NBA when it is at its best is like The beautiful game that has balance in good tactics with brilliant creativity! I believe this is true of American basketball in general. :-D
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(Nov 10, 2010, 12:49 am)Raze Lupin Wrote: I find some of these comments intersting and a bit comical For example:

Stefans: "With no defence and is played only for money.Euroleague is for sure best league in the world.I mean REAL BASKETBALL.With fights,die heart fans and other."

I chose this because so many people agreed with you. Also because of your assertions that NBA is not real basketball or that it doesnt play defence. Are you saying the NBA doesn't play defence or that Europe plays "better" defence. I disagree with you. I believe NBA plays better defence than Euroleague and Europe as a whole. Here are my humble opinions:

Defence:NBA plays better defence than Euroleague. The best indicator of this is international competitions between team USA and European teams. Both in 2008 olympics and 2010 world cup were made up of NBA players. If europe plays better defence then why are most of the teams that play USA held to a lower shooting percentage? USA "usually" leads is all the classic defensive stats. Forced turnovers, steals, blocked shots, Converting defence into points. If you don't believe me go do research and look for yourself. It was most enjoyable to me seeing Team USA intercepting passes by getting a hand in the passing lanes. This is elementry fundamental defence but international teams did not defend USA well. I often wondered why aren't these teams defending?? To me European defence has more of a "sit and wait" philosophy. Just get in a zone and wait for the offense to make a move. This is boring to me. It shows less heart and challenge. To be honest the main difference/advantage between USA and European style of play is defensive tenacity. This is why USA is so sucessful recently and in the 90's. Simply the USA can guard Europe but Europe can not guard the USA. So yeah NBA > Euro-league in defence. Just look at the statistics in last two events. I believe you are so use to looking at flashy offence and you forget that defense is why they win. lol

Real basketball: What does this mean? If you are refering to strict adherence to fundamentals then yes NBA is real basketball. passing, rebounding, boxing out, dribbling, defence. Again look at the statistics USA is equal or greate in many of the fundamental statistics. Many times USA out rebounded larger, stronger teams. Why is this? because NBA players in WC/OG showed better rebounding skill. As in boxing out and getting the best position. Offensive rebounding is the other big reason for USA sucess.

If euro-league is real basketball why can't they play better defence and rebound better against NBA league??

Fights??: Are you saying Euro-league is better because there are more fights? If I want to see fights I'll watch MMA, UFC or boxing.

Efes4ever: "American fans satiated. They're watchin like in colosseum gladiators with slaving.they enjoy that"

Next this was the "most" intersting comment. To say that Americans are fully satified with the NBA league is not only false BUT laughable! I also wonder what you mean by saying Americans like gladiator and slavery. 1st. you agreed with Stefans "100%!!"that you like fighting and gladiators are from ancient rome which is in Europe. By your own admission You like brutalty. 2nd why do you call American/NBA basketball slavery. Is this remark in relation that to the fact that many of NBA ballers are black?? Maybe the passion that you all like is cursing at players and throwing bananas at players from Africa. Is this the fights and passion that Europe you enjoys? Since you agree 100%

Now to answer the original question Euro-leage vs NBA differences.

Creativity: NBA is more creative and has more entertaining dynamic. The game is pretty, beautiful even as well as efficent and fundamental. I enjoy this balance. This is not always the case. Sometimes this balnce is not achived in the NBA but compared to Euroleague its just better.


To me NBA is like how the Brasilians use to play soccer football the "beautiful game" they call it. The Germans are also good but known for there tactics. To me NBA when it is at its best is like The beautiful game that has balance in good tactics with brilliant creativity! I believe this is true of American basketball in general. :-D

I must give recognition to you.Great analyze of posts by you. Biggrin

And for this difference.Most of all in NBA you have defense 3 second.When you "translate" that it means you can't play defense.And for me it's so stupid.Let's for example pick football or on american(soccer).What will happened if similar rule put in soccer in penalty area.Than we will see result like 20-10.!!!

And for Commercial League.You watch NBA matches..Before begin NBA game.TV Reports starts in their dressing room and showing who is sponsor of their towel.So stupid.. Bag And they advertise Hot dogs and other.And time out is takes almost 5 minutes(For hot dogs and coca cola).

And for end.Stern is destroyed league.When play Lerry Bird,Michael Jordan...Legends.And in 90's you hadn't defense 3 seconds.

And for fans not to talk.. Rofl3 Check Partizan game.. Biggrin NBA will never have that fans..
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(Nov 10, 2010, 1:32 am)stefans Wrote: I must give recognition to you.Great analyze of posts by you. Biggrin

And for this difference.Most of all in NBA you have defense 3 second.When you "translate" that it means you can't play defense.And for me it's so stupid.Let's for example pick football or on american(soccer).What will happened if similar rule put in soccer in penalty area.Than we will see result like 20-10.!!!

And for Commercial League.You watch NBA matches..Before begin NBA game.TV Reports starts in their dressing room and showing who is sponsor of their towel.So stupid.. Bag And they advertise Hot dogs and other.And time out is takes almost 5 minutes(For hot dogs and coca cola).

And for end.Stern is destroyed league.When play Lerry Bird,Michael Jordan...Legends.And in 90's you hadn't defense 3 seconds.

And for fans not to talk.. Rofl3 Check Partizan game.. Biggrin NBA will never have that fans..

About defensive 3 second rule:

First of all I would like to say I do not like defensive 3 second rule BUT you are "misunderstanding" the rule. You can still play defense in the lane you just have to be actively guarding an opponent or an opponent must be a threat to entering the lane. So to be clear a defender can be in the lane for 24 seconds as long as there is ball movement in that area. Your "translate" remark is a "mistranslation" Again it must be stated that I do not like the NBA 3 second rule. I believe maybe 10 second rule is better. The 3 sec is bad BUT some type of rule is needed in the NBA because the defenders have become too athletic. For example players like the great Dikembe Mutumbo could just stand under the goal and block shots all day. There would be less penetration. Could you imagine if players like Dwight Howard were allowed to stay in the lane and make camp under the basket? It would be boring for many. In the NBA big men are so athletic that a 2 - 3 zone set with three 7ft/2.18m under the basket it would be difficult to score. It would be just jump shooting contest. If you want to have a more educated opinion look here. This is an explanation of the 3 second rule in detail.: http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Basketba...2-822.html

Stefans You say "Let's for example pick football or on american(soccer).What will happened if similar rule put in soccer in penalty area.Than we will see result like 20-10.!!!". This is a poor example. Soccer-football and Basketball have very different scoring philosophy. The rules of Soccer-football and the nature of the game is defensive. This is why in FIBA WC you have 0 - 0 tie. Again Soccer football is different because of rules like "offsides" this is a defensive natured game. thats why you have so many ties and no scoring. Would you like offside rule in basketball?Would you like a goal-tender/goal-keeper in basketball Basketball? Goal-tending is illegal in basketball for a reason. Basketball is a more offensive game. This offensive nature is how the game was invented and how it evolved. The nature of basketball is to score. The scoring philosophy of Soccer-football and basketball are opposite and not the same. To be basic and clear Soccer-football defense has the advantage. In Basketball offense has the advantage. This is because the nature and basic rules of the game.

Commercials are commercials. It is what it is, no? I mean these companies pay big money to advertise on television during NBA game. I dislike like television time outs BUT it doesn't take away too much from the product. Also television/commercial timeouts are only in the most popular games. When i attend NBA games its usually a non factor. There is some hypocrisy in your complaint of commercialism . Isn't it called the "Turkish Airlines" Euroleauge?? The very name of your favorite league is a advertisement for Turkish airlines!! I went to business school but you do not need a university degree to see commercial culture in Euro-league. All over Europe i see names of companies on players basketball and Soccer jerseys. lol In NBA you have to watch a TV comercial but when you watch the NBA game the player does not have a hot-dog picture on his shirt. Rofl3 Also I was watching an old Greek league game from the 80's and I noticed the court was covered in advertisements that you could not see the markings on the floor. "Armani Jeans" Milano? CSKA?? Don't tell me Euro-league is "pure" and NBA is commercial.

Yes fans in euroleague are passionate. I admire this!! :-D True NBA "usually" for the most part does not compare to places like Partizan. This is a thing of culture and not inferiority. Americans express themselves differently and in long NBA 82 game season every game is not important. It's only for bragging rights. Just so you know Americans are very passionate about sports. University, Highschool and children leagues. I was just at a game last night where the people in the stands were given a technical foul and eventually kicked out of the stadium. This was 12 and under American football. Just google little league football or youtube and you will see fights and crazy people. For me personally this is not entertainment. Also I agree David Stern is a problem at times but he also does good.

1 more thing Also I'm American and I rarely see hot-dog commercials during NBA games games...LOL Is this a Serbian stereotype of Americans?? LMFAO! Rofl3 That is very funny. I see many commercials but rarely Hot-dogs :-D thank you friend! Cool

Hello I'm from America I like to eat hot dog when i watch NBA...hahaha Rofl3
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(Nov 10, 2010, 4:42 pm)Raze Lupin Wrote: 1 more thing Also I'm American and I rarely see hot-dog commercials during NBA games games...LOL Is this a Serbian stereotype of Americans?? LMFAO! Rofl3 That is very funny. I see many commercials but rarely Hot-dogs :-D thank you friend! Cool

Hello I'm from America I like to eat hot dog when i watch NBA...hahaha Rofl3

I will answer on this chapter.

We know what is are Americans.You have everything that is poor for organism.Coca Cola,Mc Donalds..And most of Americans are fat (no offense).And we also know that Americans are so dump again (no offense).There is poll about "From which are material is Moon?" Did you know what they say??

60% of American are say that is Moon are material of cheese. Rofl3

Here video clip about that....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

I'm not here to dishonors your people.Sorry if i was insult you and your people.

If you want we can make topics about Differences between America and Europe. Smile

And for this topic.

NBA have money but not passion on basketball game.And for that is commercial league.82 games also confirms that.Did you remember Brandon Jennings?..that player was almost invisible in Roma he had 7.6 points per game in Euroleague and now in NBA 14.9 points per game!!!! That explains a lot.Like Euroleague is much harder than NBA.For money Euroleague will slowly take over in 5-10 years.Euroleague is created 2000.And before that Europe basketball was almost amateur.You will see progress.That is started 2 years ago.You see that less and less talents from Europe is going to NBA.I'm finish.

Best wishes. Wink
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Thank you for your honest opinion. Very intersting comments. This is very intersting. 60% of Americans are dumb and most americans are fat huh? i know many dumb Americans. I have to go to class BUT I will answer your questiona at a later time maybe to night. And don't worry I am not offended nor do I take this personal. We can talk about America vs Europe but America is only one country Europe is a continent. So maybe we should talk about America and Serbia. I have another question for you because you seem very knowlegeble about America. Have you been to America? Also what is your profession? im just curious. :-)
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#13
If we are talking in general, all countries have almost the same percentage of "dumb" people.

It's just that Americans on NBA stands look "dumb" (shouting defence, eating, wearing foam fingers, kissing etc) to an outsider cause of different sports culture.

I'm sure if most Americans had a look at Euroleague stands they would say that people there are dumb (taking off their tops, throwing things, playing instruments, smoking etc).
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I just watched two NBA games on ESPN. I am sorry, but the NBA game is so lifeless, so boring, so contrived that it is practically unwatchable in the regular season. The NBA product has become quite lame to be honest. The thing that really caught my eye was how Tiago Splitter was so much faster than every other big man on the floor.

Yet, every NBA fans I have ever talked to swears that it is a fact that every player in the Euroleague would be the slowest player at their position in the NBA.

Reality is what it is. The NBA is just another commercialized consumer product for the masses these days. Thankfully basketball fans still have the NCAA tournament and the Euroleague. I honestly can barely sit through a regular season NBA game anymore.

You can easily count on one hand the amount of NBA teams that even play hard during the regular season and that even try on defense during the regular season. I guess that many American NBA fans simply don't know better because they are so used to the NBA that they can't see it anymore. But it really makes me wonder because if they watch NCAA basketball they would see much more effort, better defense, and more passionate games.

The NBA has really turned into a big marketing show for ESPN, Nike, Adidas, Gatorade, Reebok, etc. And the ridiculous amount of commercial time outs during the games make them practically impossible to sit through.

I honestly really hope that the Euroleague never ends up like the NBA, but unfortunately it seems like they are copying many of the NBA models.

Seriously, I loved the last NBA Finals. It was great. But most of the NBA product these days is really lame. There is something fundamentally wrong with the league when a big basketball fan like myself can only get excited at the NBA Finals.

Even the rest of the playoffs last year was pretty boring. But the thing is that, as good as the NBA Finals was last year (and it was great), it still does not compare to the average Euroleague Final Four IMHO.

The NBA better hope like hell that ESPN never signs a big TV contract to air the Euroleague Final Four live on TV and also to re-air it on prime time TV in the US. Because IMHO if that ever happens, all of the nonsense that most NBA fans in the US believe will be gone instantly.

The way they talk about the NBA like it is a billion times better than the Euroleague, the best player in Euroleague would be the worst player in the NBA, the worst player in the NBA would average 50 a game in the Euroleague, the NBA plays way better defense, etc, etc, we all know the usual BS.......

They seem to actually believe this nonsense. If millions of people in the US actually started seeing the Euroleagie Final Four all of that would end and the NBA marketing would be useless then. Because people would see that the Euroleague has a better product these days than the NBA does.

Even though in the US the NBA fan base is dominated by inner city black males, that is a small market and the NBA lost its previous fans from the 80s and 90s. They would love the Euroleague Final Four. And honestly, the way the NBA is today it is an incredibly offensive league in how it definitely markets a racist ideology that the game belongs only to blacks. I personally find that offensive and for me it has become really hard to even talk to other NBA fans anymore because every fan seems so racist as well.

They make racist comments like only black Americans can play basketball and they make many racist comments about any other type of player. And it comes primarily from the NBA marketing ploys. It's quite sad and pathetic to be honest about it.

I see Euroleague games where guys play based on whether they do what the coach wants or not, and then NBA games where you can clearly see guys playing based on who the NBA wants to showcase, wants to market, who has the ads, who has the contract, and yes, clearly in many NBA teams foreign players do not get treated the same way as American players.

Unfortunately, the NBA is a mere shadow of what it was back in the 80s and 90s. Hopefully, the Finals this year will be as good as last year's Finals were, and I will enjoy that then. But for example the NBA regular season..........it's really gotten to be a bad product.
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(Nov 10, 2010, 4:42 pm)Raze Lupin Wrote: About defensive 3 second rule:

First of all I would like to say I do not like defensive 3 second rule BUT you are "misunderstanding" the rule. You can still play defense in the lane you just have to be actively guarding an opponent or an opponent must be a threat to entering the lane. So to be clear a defender can be in the lane for 24 seconds as long as there is ball movement in that area. Your "translate" remark is a "mistranslation" Again it must be stated that I do not like the NBA 3 second rule. I believe maybe 10 second rule is better. The 3 sec is bad BUT some type of rule is needed in the NBA because the defenders have become too athletic. For example players like the great Dikembe Mutumbo could just stand under the goal and block shots all day. There would be less penetration. Could you imagine if players like Dwight Howard were allowed to stay in the lane and make camp under the basket? It would be boring for many. In the NBA big men are so athletic that a 2 - 3 zone set with three 7ft/2.18m under the basket it would be difficult to score. It would be just jump shooting contest. If you want to have a more educated opinion look here. This is an explanation of the 3 second rule in detail.: http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Basketba...2-822.html

Stefans You say "Let's for example pick football or on american(soccer).What will happened if similar rule put in soccer in penalty area.Than we will see result like 20-10.!!!". This is a poor example. Soccer-football and Basketball have very different scoring philosophy. The rules of Soccer-football and the nature of the game is defensive. This is why in FIBA WC you have 0 - 0 tie. Again Soccer football is different because of rules like "offsides" this is a defensive natured game. thats why you have so many ties and no scoring. Would you like offside rule in basketball?Would you like a goal-tender/goal-keeper in basketball Basketball? Goal-tending is illegal in basketball for a reason. Basketball is a more offensive game. This offensive nature is how the game was invented and how it evolved. The nature of basketball is to score. The scoring philosophy of Soccer-football and basketball are opposite and not the same. To be basic and clear Soccer-football defense has the advantage. In Basketball offense has the advantage. This is because the nature and basic rules of the game.

Commercials are commercials. It is what it is, no? I mean these companies pay big money to advertise on television during NBA game. I dislike like television time outs BUT it doesn't take away too much from the product. Also television/commercial timeouts are only in the most popular games. When i attend NBA games its usually a non factor. There is some hypocrisy in your complaint of commercialism . Isn't it called the "Turkish Airlines" Euroleauge?? The very name of your favorite league is a advertisement for Turkish airlines!! I went to business school but you do not need a university degree to see commercial culture in Euro-league. All over Europe i see names of companies on players basketball and Soccer jerseys. lol In NBA you have to watch a TV comercial but when you watch the NBA game the player does not have a hot-dog picture on his shirt. Rofl3 Also I was watching an old Greek league game from the 80's and I noticed the court was covered in advertisements that you could not see the markings on the floor. "Armani Jeans" Milano? CSKA?? Don't tell me Euro-league is "pure" and NBA is commercial.

Yes fans in euroleague are passionate. I admire this!! :-D True NBA "usually" for the most part does not compare to places like Partizan. This is a thing of culture and not inferiority. Americans express themselves differently and in long NBA 82 game season every game is not important. It's only for bragging rights. Just so you know Americans are very passionate about sports. University, Highschool and children leagues. I was just at a game last night where the people in the stands were given a technical foul and eventually kicked out of the stadium. This was 12 and under American football. Just google little league football or youtube and you will see fights and crazy people. For me personally this is not entertainment. Also I agree David Stern is a problem at times but he also does good.

1 more thing Also I'm American and I rarely see hot-dog commercials during NBA games games...LOL Is this a Serbian stereotype of Americans?? LMFAO! Rofl3 That is very funny. I see many commercials but rarely Hot-dogs :-D thank you friend! Cool

Hello I'm from America I like to eat hot dog when i watch NBA...hahaha Rofl3

The NFL has a very good product (much like Champions League really). The NBA does not. The Euroleague does have a good product, but it still needs to get better. I don't really think it's an American or European sports thing. It's just that the NBA is run solely for marketing purposes.
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(Nov 10, 2010, 12:49 am)Raze Lupin Wrote: Defence:NBA plays better defence than Euroleague. The best indicator of this is international competitions between team USA and European teams. Both in 2008 olympics and 2010 world cup were made up of NBA players. If europe plays better defence then why are most of the teams that play USA held to a lower shooting percentage? USA "usually" leads is all the classic defensive stats. Forced turnovers, steals, blocked shots, Converting defence into points. If you don't believe me go do research and look for yourself. It was most enjoyable to me seeing Team USA intercepting passes by getting a hand in the passing lanes. This is elementry fundamental defence but international teams did not defend USA well. I often wondered why aren't these teams defending?? To me European defence has more of a "sit and wait" philosophy. Just get in a zone and wait for the offense to make a move. This is boring to me. It shows less heart and challenge. To be honest the main difference/advantage between USA and European style of play is defensive tenacity. This is why USA is so sucessful recently and in the 90's. Simply the USA can guard Europe but Europe can not guard the USA. So yeah NBA > Euro-league in defence. Just look at the statistics in last two events. I believe you are so use to looking at flashy offence and you forget that defense is why they win. lol

Just to emphasize this, the Olympics and the World Championship have nothing at all to do with the Euroleague. I don't know why hardly any American NBA fans seem to be able to grasp this, but for whatever reason NBA vs. Euroleague issue is ALWAYS Team USA versus whatever national team to American NBA fans.

This is completely illogical and makes no sense. The NBA might equate to Team USA, but no national team in the world equates to the Euroelague. I don't really see why NBA fans always make that bogus connection. No national team in the world is a representation of the Euroleague in any way, shape, or form as it would be analagous to what Team USA equates to in NBA terms.

Team USA is to NBA as ________ is to Euroleague. In the blank American NBA fans insert any and every national team opponent of Team USA. I am sorry, but this is simply wrong.

I think you are a good poster and you are contributing well here. We need NBA fans from the US to help here and without coming in with such an arrogant attitude (like most do) and you have done that and I appreciate it. So let me just say that you should come to understand that the Euroleague versus NBA has zero to do with Team USA versus whatever national team.

I know also that some Europeans make these same claims and they are also of course wrong and most all of them are NBA fans, which is of no coincidence.

What Team USA does against national team a or b really has nothing at all to do with the NBA versus the Euroleague and as I said, no national team is really a Euroleague representation as Team USA is an NBA representation.
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(Nov 11, 2010, 12:52 am)Raze Lupin Wrote: Thank you for your honest opinion. Very intersting comments. This is very intersting. 60% of Americans are dumb and most americans are fat huh? i know many dumb Americans. I have to go to class BUT I will answer your questiona at a later time maybe to night. And don't worry I am not offended nor do I take this personal. We can talk about America vs Europe but America is only one country Europe is a continent. So maybe we should talk about America and Serbia. I have another question for you because you seem very knowlegeble about America. Have you been to America? Also what is your profession? im just curious. :-)

I was thinking North America with Canada and USA.It's the same lifestyle.

And i'm not been in America but i watched many TV Documentary.And in our country it's important to know about many things.Simply it's part of our life.For Serbian People is much expensive to go on trip to America it's about 1.000 euros or 1.380 dollars.And in Serbia month wages are about 250 euros average or 345 dollars.I have been in Greece and Turkey.And few countries in around.And I'm planing to go in Switzerland to my relatives very soon.

And my profession.I am Student of air traffic and transport engineering.I will make topic for North America and Europe.For more answers.
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(Nov 11, 2010, 7:16 am)forum troll Wrote: I just watched two NBA games on ESPN. I am sorry, but the NBA game is so lifeless, so boring, so contrived that it is practically unwatchable in the regular season. The NBA product has become quite lame to be honest. The thing that really caught my eye was how Tiago Splitter was so much faster than every other big man on the floor.

Yet, every NBA fans I have ever talked to swears that it is a fact that every player in the Euroleague would be the slowest player at their position in the NBA.

Reality is what it is. The NBA is just another commercialized consumer product for the masses these days. Thankfully basketball fans still have the NCAA tournament and the Euroleague. I honestly can barely sit through a regular season NBA game anymore.

You can easily count on one hand the amount of NBA teams that even play hard during the regular season and that even try on defense during the regular season. I guess that many American NBA fans simply don't know better because they are so used to the NBA that they can't see it anymore. But it really makes me wonder because if they watch NCAA basketball they would see much more effort, better defense, and more passionate games.

The NBA has really turned into a big marketing show for ESPN, Nike, Adidas, Gatorade, Reebok, etc. And the ridiculous amount of commercial time outs during the games make them practically impossible to sit through.

I honestly really hope that the Euroleague never ends up like the NBA, but unfortunately it seems like they are copying many of the NBA models.

Seriously, I loved the last NBA Finals. It was great. But most of the NBA product these days is really lame. There is something fundamentally wrong with the league when a big basketball fan like myself can only get excited at the NBA Finals.

Even the rest of the playoffs last year was pretty boring. But the thing is that, as good as the NBA Finals was last year (and it was great), it still does not compare to the average Euroleague Final Four IMHO.

The NBA better hope like hell that ESPN never signs a big TV contract to air the Euroleague Final Four live on TV and also to re-air it on prime time TV in the US. Because IMHO if that ever happens, all of the nonsense that most NBA fans in the US believe will be gone instantly.

The way they talk about the NBA like it is a billion times better than the Euroleague, the best player in Euroleague would be the worst player in the NBA, the worst player in the NBA would average 50 a game in the Euroleague, the NBA plays way better defense, etc, etc, we all know the usual BS.......

They seem to actually believe this nonsense. If millions of people in the US actually started seeing the Euroleagie Final Four all of that would end and the NBA marketing would be useless then. Because people would see that the Euroleague has a better product these days than the NBA does.

Even though in the US the NBA fan base is dominated by inner city black males, that is a small market and the NBA lost its previous fans from the 80s and 90s. They would love the Euroleague Final Four. And honestly, the way the NBA is today it is an incredibly offensive league in how it definitely markets a racist ideology that the game belongs only to blacks. I personally find that offensive and for me it has become really hard to even talk to other NBA fans anymore because every fan seems so racist as well.

They make racist comments like only black Americans can play basketball and they make many racist comments about any other type of player. And it comes primarily from the NBA marketing ploys. It's quite sad and pathetic to be honest about it.

I see Euroleague games where guys play based on whether they do what the coach wants or not, and then NBA games where you can clearly see guys playing based on who the NBA wants to showcase, wants to market, who has the ads, who has the contract, and yes, clearly in many NBA teams foreign players do not get treated the same way as American players.

Unfortunately, the NBA is a mere shadow of what it was back in the 80s and 90s. Hopefully, the Finals this year will be as good as last year's Finals were, and I will enjoy that then. But for example the NBA regular season..........it's really gotten to be a bad product.

Simply..This is how functions American economy.And other that goes with it.NBA is more industry or job than Sport.Same goes to other American professional sports.(NHL,MLB and NFL).
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(Nov 11, 2010, 1:09 am)Black Urum Wrote: I'm sure if most Americans had a look at Euroleague stands they would say that people there are dumb (taking off their tops, throwing things, playing instruments, smoking etc).

Now that is perversion. These (fuckers) from wealthy countries can't wait for the half brake to burn their lungs out? Actually, fans from Greece, Italy, France, Spain are not better than Americans. They just spreading their emotions in different way. Generally they are at the same category in my account - spoiled consumers. I don't know why Serbs and Greeks are so happy about these masses of idiots (football hooligans)...
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Who said anything bout being happy? If it was up to me I'd make smoking illegal and make Saudi-like punishments for those caught smoking...
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