2010/11 season signings and rumours

[ramses]

As far as McCalebb goes, he is going to have to lower his salary demands or he is not signing anywhere. He still wants 1 million euros net and no team is biting at all. Like I said earlier, I would think 700,000 euros a season is more what he would command.



He had a great season and was All-Euroleague Second Team in his first season, but just one good year does not make you worth what he is asking for. He would have to have at least 2 seasons on that level I think to ask for that kind of money. Maybe I'm wrong and he will get it somewhere, but I doubt it. Who knows, maybe if Partizan gets that huge buyout for Maric, maybe they will sign him if he accepts a more reasonable salary.

Don't look now but the logic that somehow McCalebb isn't worth x euros because he only had one good season. Guess what? The same thing is true about Maric. Unlike Maric though, McCalebb didn't miss a key part of the season like Maric did. I'm not saying I know what is a fair salary for McCalebb I'm just saying it should be the same thing with McCalebb as it is with Maric. Bo was the starting point guard on a Final 4 Euroleague team. PG and center are probably the 2 most important positions on a team.

[Roy M]

[quote name='ramses' date='23 July 2010 - 03:00 AM' timestamp='1279839638' post='23880']

As far as McCalebb goes, he is going to have to lower his salary demands or he is not signing anywhere. He still wants 1 million euros net and no team is biting at all. Like I said earlier, I would think 700,000 euros a season is more what he would command.



He had a great season and was All-Euroleague Second Team in his first season, but just one good year does not make you worth what he is asking for. He would have to have at least 2 seasons on that level I think to ask for that kind of money. Maybe I'm wrong and he will get it somewhere, but I doubt it. Who knows, maybe if Partizan gets that huge buyout for Maric, maybe they will sign him if he accepts a more reasonable salary.



Don't look now but the logic that somehow McCalebb isn't worth x euros because he only had one good season. Guess what? The same thing is true about Maric. Unlike Maric though, McCalebb didn't miss a key part of the season like Maric did. I'm not saying I know what is a fair salary for McCalebb I'm just saying it should be the same thing with McCalebb as it is with Maric. Bo was the starting point guard on a Final 4 Euroleague team. PG and center are probably the 2 most important positions on a team.

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I won't be surprise, if McCalebb will sign in Maccabi.

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[quote name='ramses' date='22 July 2010 - 11:47 PM' timestamp='1279835247' post='23878']

Great insight into the way things work at Partizan! I thought that with a new sponsor in place the need to sell players would stop. Many teams with a stable budget retain their best players every year. If Partzan take the Maric money and their sponsorship money together couldn't they keep Roberts and McCalebb at a reasonable figure? Kecman at the 2, Vesley at the 3, Roberts at the 4, and Bo at the 1 could compete for a Euroleague championship.



Regarding Maric, If I were looking for a center I would pay more for Maric at 28 minutes than Sofo for 20 minutes!

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I believe Roberts already signed with Fenerbache. But I'm not sure.



It also seems that PAO got Maric for an €800,000 buyout. Maric now belongs to PAO. They are just working on his salary amount now. That buyout should help Partizan a lot.



PAO's roster is ridiculous:



PG Diamantidis/Calathes/Verginis

SG Nicholas/Tepic

SF Sato/Perperoglou

PF Fotsis/Kaimakoglou/Tsartsaris

C Maric/Batiste/Vougioukas



Bogris and Shermadini would go out on loan I would assume. That leaves just either to let Calathes handle 15-20 minutes of playing time or to re-sign Saras.



Every weakness from before is fixed. Except with the loss of Spanoulis is created a new weakness at guard. We will see if they try to get one more player.

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[quote name='ramses' date='23 July 2010 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1279839638' post='23880']

Don't look now but the logic that somehow McCalebb isn't worth x euros because he only had one good season. Guess what? The same thing is true about Maric. Unlike Maric though, McCalebb didn't miss a key part of the season like Maric did. I'm not saying I know what is a fair salary for McCalebb I'm just saying it should be the same thing with McCalebb as it is with Maric. Bo was the starting point guard on a Final 4 Euroleague team. PG and center are probably the 2 most important positions on a team.

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Salary is dictating by the market for the player. The only team I can imagine interested in him for that salary is Barcelona or Siena. He won't go to Barcelona because that club's coach is bound by contract to play Rubio a certain amount of minutes.



That leaves Siena. Siena could pay him even up to 1.8 to 1.9 if they wanted to. But the problem is that Siena already has Zisis and they like how he plays when he has big minutes and gets to start. That's his issue, he is great with big minutes and is awful if he plays limited minutes. So they might just try it with Zisis, who already has a very big salary for a backup at 900k.



For his asking price of 1 million, he should target Siena, but they might now want him at that much simply because they already have Zisis. They were already sort of forcing McIntyre out for Zisis. Just think McIntyre only got 1.3 per season and he was twice all Euroleague first team point guard and had 3 great Euroleague seasons.



So McCalleb is definitely demanding a lot for what he has proven. I don't know maybe PAO or Olympiacos would sign him for that amount. They both need a point guard. Here is the thing though........Bo wants to play huge minutes and get huge stats so he can showcase for the NBA. He would probably play 15 minutes a game in a club like PAO or Olympiacos and would have limited stats. Thus, the NBA would forever right him off instantly. Just the way the moronic NBA managers and scouts are.



So, we will see what happens. Right now I think Siena is his best bet, but he might still be asking for too much for what they want to pay.



[quote name='Roy M' date='23 July 2010 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1279839931' post='23882']

I won't be surprise, if McCalebb will sign in Maccabi.

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He wants 1 million euro net. I'm not sure they would do it. I think Arroyo only got about 1.2-1.3

[Maccabi_Fan19]

[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='23 July 2010 - 01:58 AM' timestamp='1279843086' post='23884']

He wants 1 million euro net. I'm not sure they would do it. I think Arroyo only got about 1.2-1.3

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Maccabi won't pay him 1M euro..no way in hell

but

his agent gave an interview to an Israeli site saying that McCalebb wants to sign for Maccabi really bad it's just that the offer is not enough..we all knew that

BUT

he also said that ALL of his offers are lower then what they won't

so obviously no team would pay him 1M euro..Perkins knows that Maccabi won't give him the best offer but he knows that basketball-wise it's the best move so he's willing to settle(he said that a couple of days ago)..let's see if McCalebb would do the same

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[quote name='Maccabi_Fan19' date='23 July 2010 - 02:04 AM' timestamp='1279843441' post='23885']

Maccabi won't pay him 1M euro..no way in hell

but

his agent gave an interview to an Israeli site saying that McCalebb wants to sign for Maccabi really bad it's just that the offer is not enough..we all knew that

BUT

he also said that ALL of his offers are lower then what they won't

so obviously no team would pay him 1M euro..Perkins knows that Maccabi won't give him the best offer but he knows that basketball-wise it's the best move so he's willing to settle(he said that a couple of days ago)..let's see if McCalebb would do the same

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Like I said, he isn;t getting what he wants. He hasn't earned it and the market is not there for him at all to get that salary. At least another year as good as last year if not 2 more before he could ask for that salary. Yeah, he would be a good move for Maccabi. Better than Saras.



Maccabi would pay Saras 600k, so if McCalebb would take that salary I am sure he could sign there. Perfect move up for him from Partizan. More money, more exposure, better team. And the NBA loves them some Maccabi players. Always following that team are the NBA managers and he would get all the stats he wants there.



Still, yeah, no way in hell he gets the salary he wants there.

[Maccabi_Fan19]

[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='23 July 2010 - 02:09 AM' timestamp='1279843755' post='23886']

Like I said, he isn;t getting what he wants. He hasn't earned it and the market is not there for him at all to get that salary. At least another year as good as last year if not 2 more before he could ask for that salary. Yeah, he would be a good move for Maccabi. Better than Saras.



Maccabi would pay Saras 600k, so if McCalebb would take that salary I am sure he could sign there. Perfect move up for him from Partizan. More money, more exposure, better team. And the NBA loves them some Maccabi players. Always following that team are the NBA managers and he would get all the stats he wants there.



Still, yeah, no way in hell he gets the salary he wants there.

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you're right,but,you're saying he needs another good year for the salary that he wants..completely agree..but isn't Maric kinda the same case? I mean..he gave one good season for Partizan..not saying he's not a good player but some how after one good season(half a season actually)he's the best C in Europe? I have my doubts.



and yes..professionally it would be a good move for McCalebb to sign for Maccabi..a good move for Maccabi? not so sure

not if Perkins stays

it's like it would be the same PG on the floor just 6cm more/less

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[quote name='Maccabi_Fan19' date='23 July 2010 - 02:19 AM' timestamp='1279844388' post='23887']

you're right,but,you're saying he needs another good year for the salary that he wants..completely agree..but isn't Maric kinda the same case? I mean..he gave one good season for Partizan..not saying he's not a good player but some how after one good season(half a season actually)he's the best C in Europe? I have my doubts.



and yes..professionally it would be a good move for McCalebb to sign for Maccabi..a good move for Maccabi? not so sure

not if Perkins stays

it's like it would be the same PG on the floor just 6cm more/less

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Pekovic had one good season in his whole career before he went to PAO. Centers are different than point guards. A point guard can put up big numbers based on the system giving him open breaks and shots. A center that is a low post player has to have skills and ability to convert the chances he gets.



Two different things. I mean in reality, Partizan runs an extremely point guard friendly system. Their previous point guard looked great with them and then he went to like 3 clubs after that and could not stay on the teams without being cut he was so bad. He even got cut from Kavala for poor play.

[Maccabi_Fan19]

[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='23 July 2010 - 03:01 AM' timestamp='1279846868' post='23890']

Pekovic had one good season in his whole career before he went to PAO. Centers are different than point guards. A point guard can put up big numbers based on the system giving him open breaks and shots. A center that is a low post player has to have skills and ability to convert the chances he gets.



Two different things. I mean in reality, Partizan runs an extremely point guard friendly system. Their previous point guard looked great with them and then he went to like 3 clubs after that and could not stay on the teams without being cut he was so bad. He even got cut from Kavala for poor play.

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Again,not saying that he's not a good player

not saying that the fact that he only had 1 good season is a problem...just saying that you can't crown him as the best C in Europe before he gave at least 2 good seasons(and a lot of people are doing that)

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[quote name='Maccabi_Fan19' date='23 July 2010 - 03:07 AM' timestamp='1279847244' post='23891']

Again,not saying that he's not a good player

not saying that the fact that he only had 1 good season is a problem...just saying that you can't crown him as the best C in Europe before he gave at least 2 good seasons(and a lot of people are doing that)

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I never said he was the best center in Europe. Clearly IMO Bourousis and Batiste are better. Vazquez and N'Dong probably also.

[Maccabi_Fan19]

[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='23 July 2010 - 05:33 AM' timestamp='1279856003' post='23892']

I never said he was the best center in Europe. Clearly IMO Bourousis and Batiste are better. Vazquez and N'Dong probably also.

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nono didn't say you did

said that a lot of people do

[TalkBasket]

Clay Tucker to Real Madrid.



Ali Traore to Lottomatica Roma.



Thomas Kelati to Khimki.



Alan Anderson to Olympiacos.

[Roy M]

[quote name='Vilius' date='23 July 2010 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1279881361' post='23894']

Clay Tucker to Real Madrid.



Ali Traore to Lottomatica Roma.



Thomas Kelati to Khimki.



Alan Anderson to Olympiacos.

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In between all those signings, Saras and Kasun are still FA.... <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bag.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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[quote name='Vilius' date='23 July 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1279881361' post='23894']

Clay Tucker to Real Madrid.



Ali Traore to Lottomatica Roma.



Thomas Kelati to Khimki.



Alan Anderson to Olympiacos.

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Wait, seriously? What the hell is Ivkovic doing? The Aneglopoulos brothers never learn. PAO is tearing it up with their roster, looks like it's heading to the strongest one ever, meanwhile Olympiacos is doing the same old nonsense. Signing the extremely overrated Americans that want to play in Europe for more money (Childress, Wafer, Anderson)........



People all blamed Giannakis and now it is becoming very clear he was not the problem and was just a scape goat. That's just a ridiculous signing to me.

[TalkBasket]

[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='23 July 2010 - 02:14 PM' timestamp='1279883699' post='23898']

Wait, seriously? What the hell is Ivkovic doing? The Aneglopoulos brothers never learn. PAO is tearing it up with their roster, looks like it's heading to the strongest one ever, meanwhile Olympiacos is doing the same old nonsense. Signing the extremely overrated Americans that want to play in Europe for more money (Childress, Wafer, Anderson)........



People all blamed Giannakis and now it is becoming very clear he was not the problem and was just a scape goat. That's just a ridiculous signing to me.

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So far it's just a rumour started by Israeli media (I should have mentioned that in my post). Maybe it's his agent trying to his client a better deal. To me this signing (if it happens) doesn't seem like something that Ivkovic would do.

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[quote name='Roy M' date='23 July 2010 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1279881675' post='23896']

In between all those signings, Saras and Kasun are still FA.... <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bag.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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According to Greek media Nando De Colo is close to PAO. If they sign him their roster has to be complete.



PG Diamantidis/De Colo/Calathes

SG Nicholas/Tepic

SF Sato/Perperoglou

PF Fotsis/Kaimakoglou/Tsartsaris

C Maric/Batiste/Vougioukas



Probably Bogris, Verginis, Shermadini on loan to clubs like Maroussi or Panellinios or something.



If they sign De Colo there is absolutely no room or place for Saras. Also, I don't think De Colo would command the salary Saras wants. Surely he would cost less than that. Considering age and health issues, and minutes the two are able to play, it's a no brainer for PAO to pick De Colo.



If so, I would say Maccabi can take Saras for sure. The only thing that might hold it up is why would De Colo chosoe PAO? Other than the obvious for the more money, but he won't play more than 15 minutes probably in PAO. And the Spurs sure the hell won't sign him because his stats will be low. He must really want the extra cash if he does go to PAO. Still, really nice player.



Much better signing than Olympiacos taking Anderson IMO and probably way cheaper also.

[Maccabi_Fan19]

[quote name='Roy M' date='23 July 2010 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1279881675' post='23896']

In between all those signings, Saras and Kasun are still FA.... <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bag.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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it's ok

they'll be FA until they won't be anymore





[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='23 July 2010 - 01:14 PM' timestamp='1279883699' post='23898']

Wait, seriously? What the hell is Ivkovic doing? The Aneglopoulos brothers never learn. PAO is tearing it up with their roster, looks like it's heading to the strongest one ever, meanwhile Olympiacos is doing the same old nonsense. Signing the extremely overrated Americans that want to play in Europe for more money (Childress, Wafer, Anderson)........



People all blamed Giannakis and now it is becoming very clear he was not the problem and was just a scape goat. That's just a ridiculous signing to me.

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I don't think Anderson is overrated skills-wise

he's very talented

but he's so stupid and full of him self

I don't want other teams to make good signings but..I feel sorry for every Oly fan out there

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[quote name='Vilius' date='23 July 2010 - 01:20 PM' timestamp='1279884059' post='23900']

So far it's just a rumour started by Israeli media (I should have mentioned that in my post). Maybe it's his agent trying to his client a better deal. To me this signing (if it happens) doesn't seem like something that Ivkovic would do.

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Yeah it does not make sense. Anderson is way too much of a me first player for Ikvkovic. To me Anderson needs a club like Khimki or Siena or Malaga or something like that. Somewhere that he can just do whatever he feels like. Not a good fit for Olympiacos with players like Teodosic, Spanoulis, Papaloukas. How many ball hogs do they need?

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[quote name='Maccabi_Fan19' date='23 July 2010 - 01:21 PM' timestamp='1279884101' post='23902']

it's ok

they'll be FA until they won't be anymore









I don't think Anderson is overrated skills-wise

he's very talented

but he's so stupid and full of him self

I don't want other teams to make good signings but..I feel sorry for every Oly fan out there

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Exactly. One to one scoring wise, he's perhaps in that same elite class in Europe like Siska, Spanoulis, Navarro....but the guy is such a ball hog.



PG Spanoulis

SG Teodosic

SF Anderson

PF Bjelica

C Bourousis



6th man Papaloukas



lol can you imagine such a thing as this? 5 ball hogs (some of which like Bjelica and Papaloukas can't really shoot) plus a 3 point shooting center?

[Maccabi_Fan19]

[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='23 July 2010 - 01:24 PM' timestamp='1279884246' post='23903']

Yeah it does not make sense. Anderson is way too much of a me first player for Ikvkovic. To me Anderson needs a club like Khimki or Siena or Malaga or something like that. Somewhere that he can just do whatever he feels like. Not a good fit for Olympiacos with players like Teodosic, Spanoulis, Papaloukas. How many ball hogs do they need?

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he played for Bologna a few years back

a small team that needed exactly a player like him

they released him..weren't willing to deal with his ego

so if a club like Bologona doesn't want him is it really a surprise that he didn't make it in Maccabi?

he had a couple of good games but completely stopped every team work that Maccabi had once he got the ball

plus..when it came to the euroleague..he completely hogged the ball..it worked twice(siena and real madrid)but other times it just lost Maccabi the game

and the most important thing..when it came to the euroleague he gave...too much

but when we had to play in the Israeli league..he just didn't care

he does not like to play games that he doesn't think would help his exposure

if it's true that he signed for Oly..he won't make it