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Greece NT 2010
#1
Jonas Kazlaukas will announce his preliminary squad in some days, here is my guess:



Diamantides

Papaloukas

Spanoulis

Zisis

N. Calathes

Vassileiades

Pappas

Pelekanos

Papanikolaou

Kaimakoglou

Perperoglou

P. Calathes

Fotsis

Tsartsaris

Printezis

Mavrokefalides

Bourousis

Vouyoukas

Mavroedes

Big Sofo (?)



Koufos said he won't be joining. Didn't expect anything better from an American-bred spoiled kid with pysychological problems, so good riddance. I hope they never call him and he never plays again.



Also if Kazlauskas calls Vassilopoulos and Glyniadakis after their pathetic season, he can be easily accused of favouring Olympiacos players.



Big Sofo is questionable. In case he agrees with Clippers I don't know if they allow him to play or rather stay there and work on his own. And even if they don't agree, he still has the work-outs there during the preparation, so he is questionable.
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#2
[quote name='Black Urum' date='22 June 2010 - 12:11 PM' timestamp='1277201464' post='22824']

Koufos said he won't be joining. Didn't expect anything better from an American-bred spoiled kid with pysychological problems, so good riddance. I hope they never call him and he never plays again.

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Seems like Koufos days as being "star prospect" is over. Not saying that he can't be solid and useful big man for Greek NT after few years, but the big time potential is not here anymore IMO. And that's not a good news for Greece at all because Koufos was expected to be one of these future key players of NT. Good news Bourousis and Big Sofo can still play for many years, I guess.
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#3
[quote name='straight forward' date='22 June 2010 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1277203907' post='22838']

Seems like Koufos days as being "star prospect" is over. Not saying that he can't be solid and useful big man for Greek NT after few years, but the big time potential is not here anymore IMO. And that's not a good news for Greece at all because Koufos was expected to be one of these future key players of NT. Good news Bourousis and Big Sofo can still play for many years, I guess.

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That's because he preferred NBA over PAO or OLY. They bulked him up with god knows what in a short period of time and the elegant and flexible Koufos will good mid-range shot is now history. Instead he became another big white guy who has no clue bout basketball.



Same thing happened with Rentzias when he went from Barcelona to NBA and in some months his basketball career was over.



Add to that his psychological problems and religious beliefs with him moving to Utah... the home of all religious freaks of the world and you got yourself a complete disaster picture.



I'm not worried though... plenty of big guys in Greece.



Anyway, it is wrong for Greece NT to waste even effort to type about Koufos. He just isn't worth it.
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#4
[quote name='Black Urum' date='22 June 2010 - 12:55 PM' timestamp='1277204150' post='22840']

I'm not worried though... plenty of big guys in Greece.

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I guess you right, some youth generations have or had nice results in different tournaments (and not only that). On other hand, I trust more on exceptional talents. The theory of equal and quality roster doesn't work IMO. Only extra talents bring NT to different level. Greece also will need such players to keep the level of 00's.
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#5
Well, Greek players are mainly late bloomers. While exceptional Greek talents tend to get lost.
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[quote name='straight forward' date='22 June 2010 - 01:20 PM' timestamp='1277205624' post='22842']

I guess you right, some youth generations have or had nice results in different tournaments (and not only that). On other hand, I trust more on exceptional talents. The theory of equal and quality roster doesn't work IMO. Only extra talents bring NT to different level. Greece also will need such players to keep the level of 00's.

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Personally I kind of like that Koufos didn't take the invite. That way Kazlauskas won't feel the need to bring him to the team just because the federation wants it. The only reason Koufos and Calathes made the team last year is because of the federation. I didn't like that. It needs to be based on how good you are and they did not deserve to be in the team.



And if Sofo does not play I'm not worried either. The center position is where Greece is stacked. The shooting guard position is the problem area. But at center I really don't even care if Koufos is invited or honestly even if Sofo plays.



With Bourousis, Mavroeidis, Vougioukas that is more than enough at center and we still even have Glyniadakis and Mavrokefalidis available to be a third string center if needed.



Actually, IMO the 3 best Greek centers right now are Bourousis, Vougioukas, and Mavroeidis so it might be a blessing in disguise if Koufos and Sofo go waste their time playing in the NBA Summer League (which is about the same level as the A2 in Greece). It will help the team to have the best players. Sofo would be but he's out of shape again.



I also hope that guys like Calathes and Papanikolau don't get put on the team just because the federation wants them there. They aren't good enough to deserve to be on the team.
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#7
[quote name='straight forward' date='22 June 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1277203907' post='22838']

Seems like Koufos days as being "star prospect" is over. Not saying that he can't be solid and useful big man for Greek NT after few years, but the big time potential is not here anymore IMO. And that's not a good news for Greece at all because Koufos was expected to be one of these future key players of NT. Good news Bourousis and Big Sofo can still play for many years, I guess.

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Koufos does have plenty of talent. At his size he is very mobile, can shoot and can run the floor quite well. The problem is that he does not know how to play the game. On offense he is always lost and on defense he is always out of position. I think he will be good but in 3-5 years from now probably.
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#8
[quote name='Black Urum' date='22 June 2010 - 12:11 PM' timestamp='1277201464' post='22824']

Jonas Kazlaukas will announce his preliminary squad in some days, here is my guess:



Diamantides

Papaloukas

Spanoulis

Zisis

N. Calathes

Vassileiades

Pappas

Pelekanos

Papanikolaou

Kaimakoglou

Perperoglou

P. Calathes

Fotsis

Tsartsaris

Printezis

Mavrokefalides

Bourousis

Vouyoukas

Mavroedes

Big Sofo (?)



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If you are saying Glyniadakis and Vasilopoulos should not be there because of the seasons they had, then Pat Calathes, Nick Calathes, Kostas Tsartsaris, Loukas Mavrokefalidis, and Kostas Papanikolau should not be there either.



If it is based solely on the performance during the season not one of them should be anywhere near the national team.



If a guy is good enough to make the team, he can make the team though, regardless of the season he had. I don't know about Vasilopoulos and Tsartsaris being good enough anymore to make the team at the positions they are in. But Glyniadakis could still handle being a third string center with no problem at all if he's needed.



I don't get everyone's fascination with Nick Calathes. Sorry, but I just don't. There are better and more experienced guards that should be invited over him such as Manolis Papamakarios and Marios Batis and especially Kostas Charalampidis because he can shoot, unlike Nick.



I just don't like how the Greek federation has moved to this NBA style of picking the teams now, while other nations are still simply sending the best 12 available players, Greece is doing like the NBA and hand picking guys regardless of whether they are good enough or not.



The fact is at this moment Nick Calathes isn't as good as Igor Milosevic is, yet somehow Nick just has this free ride to the national team. I don't get it. The same with Papanikolau. I think PAO and Olympiacos influence is taking some kind of precedence over the national team and that's just ridiculous.
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#9
I doubt Calathes will make the final squad with Paps and Diam returning. This is only a pre-eliminary squad, no worries.



Koufos needs to play in Europe to maybe stand a chance at becoming a good player.



Vassiliadis should be a starter in the NT



my starting 5 would be



Diamantidis

Spanoulis

Vassiliadis

Printezis

Bouroussis
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#10
[quote name='suricata' date='22 June 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1277217560' post='22850']

I doubt Calathes will make the final squad with Paps and Diam returning. This is only a pre-eliminary squad, no worries.



Koufos needs to play in Europe to maybe stand a chance at becoming a good player.



Vassiliadis should be a starter in the NT



my starting 5 would be



Diamantidis

Spanoulis

Vassiliadis

Printezis

Bouroussis

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I like it. But I also want outside shooting at the 4 position so I would prefer Kaimakoglou or Fotsis to start at PF since Printezis is still too shaky as a shooter.
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#11
Milosevic better than Calathes... no comment.



Nick Calathes needs to get experience if he is going to be ready when the rest guards retire or choose to rest. As for his brother, he had a very good season with Maroussi. If any of the brothers deserve to be called that's Pat.



As for Papanikolaou, I didn't say he should be in the final 12. But like with Nick, he needs to get involved with the senior NT for the future. Also he was the elader of youth NT... so it's the natural flow that he gets called to the senior NT.



Tsartsaris had a very strong finishing. He can play two positions, has tons of experience, is tough and can shoot from outside. Does Greece have a lot of players like that in order for Tsartsaris not to be included even in preliminary squad?
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#12
[quote name='Black Urum' date='22 June 2010 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1277234224' post='22875']

Milosevic better than Calathes... no comment.



Nick Calathes needs to get experience if he is going to be ready when the rest guards retire or choose to rest. As for his brother, he had a very good season with Maroussi. If any of the brothers deserve to be called that's Pat.



As for Papanikolaou, I didn't say he should be in the final 12. But like with Nick, he needs to get involved with the senior NT for the future. Also he was the elader of youth NT... so it's the natural flow that he gets called to the senior NT.



Tsartsaris had a very strong finishing. He can play two positions, has tons of experience, is tough and can shoot from outside. Does Greece have a lot of players like that in order for Tsartsaris not to be included even in preliminary squad?

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Pappas is the leader and best player of the youth team, not Papanikolau. Papanikolau is just another player being hyped by the media. Pappas and Sloukas are better hopes for Greece NT future than Papanikolau is.
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#13
[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='23 June 2010 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1277305207' post='22921']

Pappas is the leader and best player of the youth team, not Papanikolau. Papanikolau is just another player being hyped by the media. Pappas and Sloukas are better hopes for Greece NT future than Papanikolau is.

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Though i don't like sloukas very much, i agree pappas is a more talented player than papanikolaou. Greeks are late bloomers anyway, i guess we will find out when the become 23-24
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#14
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Quote:The pre-eliminary squad was announced and it includes 17 players. Most noteable absence is of course that of Teo Papaloukas who will not be participating for the second season in a row.



Dimitris Mavroeidis and Mihalis Pelekanos are also surprisingly out of the list, while Kostas Koufos' absence was already known as he prefers to stay in the US and work out.



Here is the complete list:



1. Dimitris Diamantidis

2. Kostas Tsartsaris

3. Antonis Fotsis

4. Vassilis Spanoulis

5. Nick Calathes

6. Stratos Perperoglou

7. Yorgos Printezis

8. Sofoklis Schortsanitis

9. Yannis Bouroussis

10. Loukas Mavrokefalidis

11. Panayotis Vassilopoulos

12. Kostas Papanikolaou

13. Nikos Zissis

14. Kostas Vassiliadis

15. Kostas Kaimakoglou

16. Ian Vouyoukas

17. Nikos Pappas
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#15
Why did he even call Vassilopoulos? He will have a surgery anyway and won't be able to play...



Anyway, the 12 I would take to Turkey are:



1. Diamantides

2. Spanoulis

3. Zisis

4. Vassileiades

5. Perperoglou

6. Kaimakoglou

7. Printezis

8. Fotsis

9. Tsartsaris

10. Bourousis

11. Big Sofo

12. Vouyoukas
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#16
Why did he not even invite Michalis Pelekanos and Dimitrios Mavroeidis? I don't understand what Kazlauskas is thinking.



[quote name='Black Urum' date='24 June 2010 - 02:43 PM' timestamp='1277383390' post='22990']

Why did he even call Vassilopoulos? He will have a surgery anyway and won't be able to play...



Anyway, the 12 I would take to Turkey are:



1. Diamantides

2. Spanoulis

3. Zisis

4. Vassileiades

5. Perperoglou

6. Kaimakoglou

7. Printezis

8. Fotsis

9. Tsartsaris

10. Bourousis

11. Big Sofo

12. Vouyoukas

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From the players that are available those are definitely the 12 best players. However, you better believe Calathes will be on the team. He's the new darling of the Greek Federation and they are just giving him a free ride to the team from now on, whether he deserves it or not. It's very obvious.
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#17
Let's just wait and see. But with Papaloukas this case is more likely at the moment.



On the other hand, he was in the squad when both Papaloukas and Diamantides were missing, so now Diamantides is back, he could get cut.



I guess it will come down to what kind of squad Jonas wants, packed at guards or at big guys, I think he will decided according to Greece opponents.
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#18
I definitely hope the young guys of our younger national teams get some exposure at least being invited to the pre-elimanary squad. Those boys have to be the future.



Too bad Papaloukas won't be playing, I thought all the old guys would be with the team one last time for the 'last trick' this World Cup, going for a medal and hopefully punishing the shitty Spaniards.
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#19
[quote name='ZEUS' date='25 June 2010 - 06:32 AM' timestamp='1277440332' post='23058']

I definitely hope the young guys of our younger national teams get some exposure at least being invited to the pre-elimanary squad. Those boys have to be the future.



Too bad Papaloukas won't be playing, I thought all the old guys would be with the team one last time for the 'last trick' this World Cup, going for a medal and hopefully punishing the shitty Spaniards.

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I think it's obvious that Papaloukas is done playing with the national team. He's just refusing to announce it to avoid any criticism it might bring. Pretty classless on his part.



As far as Spain goes.......looking at their 15 and our 17 we should be able to put a team that can beat them. There really is no reason why it should not be a 50/50 game. If we lose to them once again in anything but a very close game, then there is some kind of mental block that Greece has against Spain.



Because the level of the players both teams should have at this tournament really isn't different.
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#20
[quote name='Panathinaikos' date='25 June 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1277459840' post='23072']

I think it's obvious that Papaloukas is done playing with the national team. He's just refusing to announce it to avoid any criticism it might bring. Pretty classless on his part.



As far as Spain goes.......looking at their 15 and our 17 we should be able to put a team that can beat them. There really is no reason why it should not be a 50/50 game. If we lose to them once again in anything but a very close game, then there is some kind of mental block that Greece has against Spain.



Because the level of the players both teams should have at this tournament really isn't different.

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Sorry, Panathinaikos, but Spain is way a head Greece at the moment. No offense, but how long you will hesitate to admit it? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Crazy' /> Even 2006 Greece was smashed by Spain in the final, what would you expect now, when even without P.Gasol they can bring Mark who would eat alive any of Greek centers (metaphorically speaking). Now when Papaloukas is out (the magician who saved Greece's bad games plenty of times) there's no even a chance of surprise. Spain is way deeper and way more talented, I don't know why it is so hard to admit, specially when empirical facts (game results <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' /> ) prove that since 2006. Now, when USA lost their best players, Spain is the main contender, period.
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