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NBA's Lock Out and... Euroleague!!
#81


[url="http://www.talkbasket.net/5854-howard-would-consider-playing-in-europe.html"]Howard "would consider" playing in Europe[/url]

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#82
Zaza Pachulia will not be joining Besiktas after all.
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#83


[url="http://www.talkbasket.net/5917-fiba-clears-nba-players-to-play-abroad-during-lockout.html"]FIBA clears NBA players to play abroad during lockout[/url]

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#84


[url="http://www.talkbasket.net/5920-schneck-is-back-but-could-artest-follow.html"]Schneck is back, but could Artest follow?[/url]

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#85
No to NBA players jumping the pond. Stay where you are, and spend the money you were grossly overpaid in your local league. Your endeavors in Europe will only aid in the financial draining of Euro clubs and private sponsorship, and all because of NBA hype, and a delusion and erroneous belief of winning titles. LOL!!. Superfluousness is an unnecessary evil in this case. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />
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#86
[url="http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/510608"]According to CBS, the owners and the players made it a step closer to the agreement!!![/url]



It's very possible that the lock-out ends soon! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Cool' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />





...and then, I want to see what's going to happen with the teams that are pretty much depended on NBAers' performances... <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Crazy' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/baby.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Baby' />
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#87
[quote name='TeoTheGreek13' timestamp='1319663842' post='35774']

[url="http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/510608"]According to CBS, the owners and the players made it a step closer to the agreement!!![/url]



It's very possible that the lock-out ends soon! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Cool' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />





...and then, I want to see what's going to happen with the teams that are pretty much depended on NBAers' performances... <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Crazy' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/baby.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Baby' />


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Like Partizan <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bag.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Bag' />
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#88
Players rejecting NBA's last offer and disbanded their union in order to sue NBA in the courts.



Entire season could be cancelled.
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#89
[quote name='Black Urum' timestamp='1321299729' post='36041']

Players rejecting NBA's last offer and disbanded their union in order to sue NBA in the courts.



Entire season could be cancelled.

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I would like that. Off course, NBA playoffs are pretty fun, but too many advantages here. First of all, it's good for me as Lith NT fan <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> No pressure for Kleiza to come back as early as he can. No pressure for Motiejunas and Valančiūnas from the club as they not even allowed to communicate, no antagonism from fans because of the fact these youngsters playing in Europe, no NBA season anyway. Some NBA players already playing in Eurocup/Euroleague and that increasing the level of European basketball and there will be more. And!, if NBA season is out, I hope Kleiza signs with Žalgiris.
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#90
This is great news. The players are being ridiculous, they will never get a better deal than the offer that was on table and I am glad that they rejected the deal as the owners had already given away too much for my liking. The NHL players turned down the owners' initial offer and then after a lost season signed a deal that was significantly worse for them than the original offer. Expect the same in the NBA.



Now the fun begins in Europe. Too bad most teams no longer have the budget to sign superstars. Nevertheless, I still expect a few like Nowitzki, Durant and Kobe to make their way overseas.



[quote name='straight forward' timestamp='1321308554' post='36042']

I would like that. Off course, NBA playoffs are pretty fun, but too many advantages here. First of all, it's good for me as Lith NT fan <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> No pressure for Kleiza to come back as early as he can. No pressure for Motiejunas and Valančiūnas from the club as they not even allowed to communicate, no antagonism from fans because of the fact these youngsters playing in Europe, no NBA season anyway. Some NBA players already playing in Eurocup/Euroleague and that increasing the level of European basketball and there will be more. And!, if NBA season is out, I hope Kleiza signs with Žalgiris.

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I agree with letting Kleiza rest. However, whenever he feels it is time to play it is clearly in his best interest to link up with his future Raptors buddy, Valanciunas, in Vilnius! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' /> Lietuvos Rytas already demonstrated it is a great place for Mizzou alum with Kareem Rush a few years ago! Ok I know he is from Kaunas and it would be good for the national team if he played with Jankunas, Delininkaitis, Kalnietis and Javtokas.



As for Valanciunas, there was never any doubt that he would stay in Vilnius this season, same with Motiejunas. The buyout was too high for Valanciunas and Motiejunas was always seen as a "project" who needed to get stronger with more playing time in Europe.
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#91
[quote name='skangles' timestamp='1321315871' post='36043']

This is great news. The players are being ridiculous, they will never get a better deal than the offer that was on table and I am glad that they rejected the deal as the owners had already given away too much for my liking. The NHL players turned down the owners' initial offer and then after a lost season signed a deal that was significantly worse for them than the original offer. Expect the same in the NBA.

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The players finally agreed on 50% of the BRI (basketball related income). Which is a pay cut from 57%. That 7% over the contract period of the new CBA is worth approximately $3 billion(if I'm not mistaken). The players were willing to give up 3 bil... They just didn't agree on some of the system issues that restricted player movement.



How did the owners give away too much? The owners were playing from the high ground since the beginning. The players never asked for more money from the BRI. From the beginning they(players) agreed to take less money. The owners claimed they lost 300 mil last year. The players gave the owners back their lost money twice over in the -7%. Not that I'm on the players side. BUT if you lose 300 mil and someone offers to give say 750-800 mil to cover your losses that's on you i.e. the owners. Also from Stern's account the leagues profits were up some 15% last year. The league "was" in a upswing the player offered to double the cost of the previous years loses plus the players conceded on some system issues like amnesty. Why aren't the owners happy?



Your'e right about the NHL comparison the the players are just going to get a worst deal after a missed year. The players should have just took the deal. I understand their arguments. It's not right how the owners are sticking it to them but in the end they will get even less money and more system restrictions. No wonder many owners wanted them to not take the deal. In the end They'll be the undisputed champs!
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#92
[quote name='skangles' timestamp='1321315871' post='36043']I agree with letting Kleiza rest. However, whenever he feels it is time to play it is clearly in his best interest to link up with his future Raptors buddy, Valanciunas, in Vilnius! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' /> Lietuvos Rytas already demonstrated it is a great place for Mizzou alum with Kareem Rush a few years ago! Ok I know he is from Kaunas and it would be good for the national team if he played with Jankunas, Delininkaitis, Kalnietis and Javtokas.

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Isn't his interest to get as much money as he can, especially in a season where he will not get a dime from NBA and the cost of living is still there...



Rytas is in financial mess... at least Zalgiris can offer good contracts.



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#93
Who knows what Kleiza is thinking, but he mentioned in interview that he would like to play for Lith club if NBA lock-out would turn out to be long (something like that). That means there's a chance. If he's looking for the money it won't be Lithuanian club that's for sure.



BTW, Gasols brothers confirmed they are joining Barsa if lock-out. That would make them favourite No.1. Unless PAO will sign Dirk <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' /> The market could be interesting when NBA things will get official.
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#94
[quote name='straight forward' timestamp='1321346745' post='36047']

Who knows what Kleiza is thinking, but he mentioned in interview that he would like to play for Lith club if NBA lock-out would turn out to be long (something like that). That means there's a chance. If he's looking for the money it won't be Lithuanian club that's for sure.



BTW, Gasols brothers confirmed they are joining Barsa if lock-out. That would make them favourite No.1. Unless PAO will sign Dirk <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' /> The market could be interesting when NBA things will get official.

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We should know more by the end of the week. Interesting indeed. Many players will go to Euro for money others will go for competition. I don't think players like Kevin Durant will not sit out an entire season not playing basketball. Although last night he tweeted he may go back to college. I hope Kleiza takes adequate rest. You need him for the Olympic qualifiers.
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#95
SH**** news just broke! Kevin Durant in negotiations with European clubs!!
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#96
[quote name='Raze Lupin' timestamp='1321326142' post='36044']

The players finally agreed on 50% of the BRI (basketball related income). Which is a pay cut from 57%. That 7% over the contract period of the new CBA is worth approximately $3 billion(if I'm not mistaken). The players were willing to give up 3 bil... They just didn't agree on some of the system issues that restricted player movement.



How did the owners give away too much? The owners were playing from the high ground since the beginning. The players never asked for more money from the BRI. From the beginning they(players) agreed to take less money. The owners claimed they lost 300 mil last year. The players gave the owners back their lost money twice over in the -7%. Not that I'm on the players side. BUT if you lose 300 mil and someone offers to give say 750-800 mil to cover your losses that's on you i.e. the owners. Also from Stern's account the leagues profits were up some 15% last year. The league "was" in a upswing the player offered to double the cost of the previous years loses plus the players conceded on some system issues like amnesty. Why aren't the owners happy?



Your'e right about the NHL comparison the the players are just going to get a worst deal after a missed year. The players should have just took the deal. I understand their arguments. It's not right how the owners are sticking it to them but in the end they will get even less money and more system restrictions. No wonder many owners wanted them to not take the deal. In the end They'll be the undisputed champs!

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The NBA is a mess. It has been a mess for the past two decades. David Stern is absolutely to blame for the pompous glorification of individuals (see Allen Iverson), which makes it all too ironic that he is now leading the owners as they sock it to the players. The NBA is at an impasse led by turds in Miami. If they don't curb the player's power now it will get out of control. The players shouldn't be able to demand where they get traded to, trades should be made by best returning value. With the current trend here is who is going to win the NBA title: LA Lakers, Miami, New York, Chicago and Boston. Where will Chris Paul play? Where will Dwight Howard play? They are going to those markets. For fans of the rest of the league, you better be absolutely horrible for a few years, get a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball, have an absolutely stellar GM like Sam Presti and then you can assemble a competitive team that will be able to keep up with the big markets for a few years before your stud youth becomes free agents and moves to a bigger market. I don't think a team like a San Antonio could compete in the trajectory that the NBA is on, which is ridiculous. The Spurs are by far the best managed team in the NBA, they have deserved every title that they have won and they should be the poster child for every other team in the league as to how you compete.



I don't like American Football but for me the beauty of the NFL is its relative parity. If your a fan of a shitty team, you still have hope that within a few years your team will compete. The Arizona Cardinals are a prime example of this. They had been really bad for many years and then climbed their way to a Super Bowl. Now in the NFL if you are a well run organization you'll be competitive every year like Green Bay, Pittsburgh and New England. If you are horribly run like Detroit you'll suck for an unprecedented period but even they have started to turn the corner. That's where the NBA needs to be and to be fair they are in a much better position than the NFL to get there. Whereas in the NFL you need to build a team of 22 players in the NBA you only need 5 (bench options are always available).



Back to the question of how the owners have given up too much, they started a few weeks ago by proposing 47% of BRI and, more importantly, they were strict on system issues. They were insisting on no guaranteed contracts and a luxury tax that was so punitive it would have acted as a hard salary cap. Don't forget the owners have all of the leverage in these negotiations and the offer that was on the table was for 50% BRI with systems issues similar to today (teams couldn't go into the luxury tax more than 4 times in 5 years) and no sign and trades for teams in the luxury tax. The big market owners basically said to the small market owners, it will remain mostly the same but don't worry we'll have greater revenue sharing. The players were moaning that Fisher and friends dipped below 53% after they were "told not to do so." GUESS WHAT IDIOTS YOU HAVE NO NEGOTIATION LEVERAGE!!! A lost season will hurt the players and their inept financial responsibility a hell of a lot more than it will hurt the owners. I am absolutely flabbergasted how stupid the players are. The players seem to think that the 50/50 BRI split will always be on the table. The more games and revenue that are lost the more unattractive settling on a 50/50 split will become to the owners.



The players have been a disorganized mess, the superstars have been able to convince the vast majority of "role players" that their ability to move around as they wish is most important. The good news for the owners is that if the players could have behaved in a uniform fashion the division between the big market owners and so called "hardliners" could have led to the owners self imploding but alas it was the players who beat them to the punch.



I certainly hope that the season is lost, for the good of the league and the good of the sport, the NBA is in dire need to fix its already flawed system issues to make a more competitive league and better end product.
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#97
[quote name='skangles' timestamp='1321407627' post='36064']

The NBA is a mess. It has been a mess for the past two decades. David Stern is absolutely to blame for the pompous glorification of individuals (see Allen Iverson), which makes it all too ironic that he is now leading the owners as they sock it to the players. The NBA is at an impasse led by turds in Miami. If they don't curb the player's power now it will get out of control. The players shouldn't be able to demand where they get traded to, trades should be made by best returning value. With the current trend here is who is going to win the NBA title: LA Lakers, Miami, New York, Chicago and Boston. Where will Chris Paul play? Where will Dwight Howard play? They are going to those markets. For fans of the rest of the league, you better be absolutely horrible for a few years, get a lucky bounce of the ping pong ball, have an absolutely stellar GM like Sam Presti and then you can assemble a competitive team that will be able to keep up with the big markets for a few years before your stud youth becomes free agents and moves to a bigger market. I don't think a team like a San Antonio could compete in the trajectory that the NBA is on, which is ridiculous. The Spurs are by far the best managed team in the NBA, they have deserved every title that they have won and they should be the poster child for every other team in the league as to how you compete.



I don't like American Football but for me the beauty of the NFL is its relative parity. If your a fan of a shitty team, you still have hope that within a few years your team will compete. The Arizona Cardinals are a prime example of this. They had been really bad for many years and then climbed their way to a Super Bowl. Now in the NFL if you are a well run organization you'll be competitive every year like Green Bay, Pittsburgh and New England. If you are horribly run like Detroit you'll suck for an unprecedented period but even they have started to turn the corner. That's where the NBA needs to be and to be fair they are in a much better position than the NFL to get there. Whereas in the NFL you need to build a team of 22 players in the NBA you only need 5 (bench options are always available).



Back to the question of how the owners have given up too much, they started a few weeks ago by proposing 47% of BRI and, more importantly, they were strict on system issues. They were insisting on no guaranteed contracts and a luxury tax that was so punitive it would have acted as a hard salary cap. Don't forget the owners have all of the leverage in these negotiations and the offer that was on the table was for 50% BRI with systems issues similar to today (teams couldn't go into the luxury tax more than 4 times in 5 years) and no sign and trades for teams in the luxury tax. The big market owners basically said to the small market owners, it will remain mostly the same but don't worry we'll have greater revenue sharing. The players were moaning that Fisher and friends dipped below 53% after they were "told not to do so." GUESS WHAT IDIOTS YOU HAVE NO NEGOTIATION LEVERAGE!!! A lost season will hurt the players and their inept financial responsibility a hell of a lot more than it will hurt the owners. I am absolutely flabbergasted how stupid the players are. The players seem to think that the 50/50 BRI split will always be on the table. The more games and revenue that are lost the more unattractive settling on a 50/50 split will become to the owners.



The players have been a disorganized mess, the superstars have been able to convince the vast majority of "role players" that their ability to move around as they wish is most important. The good news for the owners is that if the players could have behaved in a uniform fashion the division between the big market owners and so called "hardliners" could have led to the owners self imploding but alas it was the players who beat them to the punch.



I certainly hope that the season is lost, for the good of the league and the good of the sport, the NBA is in dire need to fix its already flawed system issues to make a more competitive league and better end product.

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HELL YEAH!! Nice rant Skangles!!!! Agreed! NBA needs parity and a better system. The union's organization is flawed no proposal was put to a vote(which is suspect). The players will lose a year then come back and sign for a deal of less value. From the tweets a few players wanted to vote. At first I thought this was a failure in leadership. Now I suspect (as you do)manipulation and coercion by union leadership. The owners plundered these guys. I also think that many of the owners are garbage and don't know how to manage a team. To quote an ESPN jounalist "The only thing worst that taking a bad deal, is taking a worse deal after you've lost a year of paychecks"





Oh and I was surprised by some of the players tweets that expressed shock at the Billy Hunter desertification announcement! Seriously how ignorant were/are the general body of players!?!?!? You have an equal vote and say, make your voice heard!! RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!
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lockout is so over!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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