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France
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Final: Spain VS France
#41
[quote name='TeoTheGreek13' timestamp='1316378178' post='34390']

No man. You're not the only one that noticed that!!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />

Everyone in europe knows that!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bag.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Bag' />



I remember you saying that this is your first european tournament, so you haven't seen eurobasket 2007 in Spain, yeah in Spain. Can you imagine what happend?!?!?! The answer is NO!!!

You have no idea, not a clue! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thudown.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thudown:' />



That's why the whole europe was celebrating after Russia's win in the final! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />



If you ever have the opportunity to watch eurobasket 2007 semi-final(Spain VS Greece)... just do it!!! That was circus' best performance ever!!!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Angry' />


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Yes this is my first Eurobasket...I watch Euro-league for two years and know the Spanish players from NBA too of course. I never seen anything like this. No other team acts this way in 2011 EC. Elbows yelling at refs, other hard fouls..crazy. The Spanish are amazing BUT I see why many hate their team.I will def try and watch Eurobasket 2007.



@Zeus no i didn't read your post until I posted my own. Spain acted like a$$e$. They do not have to have that attitude to win. I was ignorant before this match. Now I see why they are despised...
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#42
Well, I decided to register here to put an Spanish c*nt point of view here. Some know me from 24sec.net!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />



Don't know why people are so envy about Spain. We are so cunts and so dirty as other great teams were in the past. That last team were Yugoslavia, but at the end of the day they were fantastic as Spain is now and other team will be in the 2010's. At national level and club level. I don't see Spain cheating at levels some greek clubs in the 90's indeed. But well, everyone has his strongly opinion about this. I'm not going to change this. I hate Spain being so arrogant at times, but as I said, no more than other good teams.



That Rudy was really dirty, but really it can happen at any game. Unsportmanlike foul and move on.



Talking about the game, Spain were unstoppable to say the least. When this guys put in a decent defense, it's very difficult to beat them. Obviously this generation is coming to an end very soon, so we can look at past and say: 2 EC, 1 WC and arguably the best Olympic final game ever, so is not a bad tally. OK, winning by cheating, I don't discuss that. That Pau Gasol is the best played I ever seen and that Navarro makes me so angry at a club level...but he's awesome! Great generation and I feeling proud they are part of basketball's history.



France can't allow 98 points from Spain. I would put Flo Pietrus versus Navarro to make him work hard, as I know him can change games as he did in Valencia so well last two years, but Collet didn't. About Nando, he needs the ball in his hands to make things happen...I thought France understood that after that Lithuania match, but today I didn't see his true potential. Tony Parker was so sweet in the entire tournament, but this Spain is too much. And we won by cheating. Of course. We're Spanish cunts at the end of the day.



PS. Glad to see old faces and discuss about the same thing four years on! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />
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#43
Welcome to the forum <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />

I have only one thing to say- if one team is doing something wrong, getting help from refs etc. it doesn't make it ok when another team does it just cuz 'it was done before' and you can understand why we feel the way we feel about Spain.

Welcome to the forum again!
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#44
^^ Welcome Forca!! Great to see you on TB!! Did you just find the site or have you been lurking around here for a while? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />



Please stick around, your contribution was always excellent over at 24sec.



Congrats on the victory mate. This is a talented team. Spain and the US are now clearly the top two teams in the world as Argentina doesn't seem to be quite as strong as they once were. The Olympics will be the true test as it is the last chance for Pau and JC to win Olympic gold. It's going to be a hell of a fight.
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#45
[quote name='ForçaVBC' timestamp='1316379811' post='34395']

Well, I decided to register here to put an Spanish c*nt point of view here. Some know me from 24sec.net!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />



Don't know why people are so envy about Spain. We are so cunts and so dirty as other great teams were in the past. That last team were Yugoslavia, but at the end of the day they were fantastic as Spain is now and other team will be in the 2010's. At national level and club level. I don't see Spain cheating at levels some greek clubs in the 90's indeed. But well, everyone has his strongly opinion about this. I'm not going to change this. I hate Spain being so arrogant at times, but as I said, no more than other good teams.



That Rudy was really dirty, but really it can happen at any game. Unsportmanlike foul and move on.



Talking about the game, Spain were unstoppable to say the least. When this guys put in a decent defense, it's very difficult to beat them. Obviously this generation is coming to an end very soon, so we can look at past and say: 2 EC, 1 WC and arguably the best Olympic final game ever, so is not a bad tally. OK, winning by cheating, I don't discuss that. That Pau Gasol is the best played I ever seen and that Navarro makes me so angry at a club level...but he's awesome! Great generation and I feeling proud they are part of basketball's history.



France can't allow 98 points from Spain. I would put Flo Pietrus versus Navarro to make him work hard, as I know him can change games as he did in Valencia so well last two years, but Collet didn't. About Nando, he needs the ball in his hands to make things happen...I thought France understood that after that Lithuania match, but today I didn't see his true potential. Tony Parker was so sweet in the entire tournament, but this Spain is too much. And we won by cheating. Of course. We're Spanish cunts at the end of the day.



PS. Glad to see old faces and discuss about the same thing four years on! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

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Ok, man. It's your opinion, we respect that! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />



...but you can't say Gasol is the best player you've ever seen!!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />

There is some standard things that no matter what the opinion of someone is, are for sure!

For example, the universe is endless!!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl3' />

Gasol is not even the best european player!!!



Welcome to <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tb.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tb' />

I hope you came to stay, we indeed need the Spanish point of view!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/drinks.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Drinks' />
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#46
[quote name='ForçaVBC' timestamp='1316379811' post='34395']

And we won by cheating. Of course. We're Spanish cunts at the end of the day.



PS. Glad to see old faces and discuss about the same thing four years on! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

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Welcome to the site, I was on 24sec but I never recall seeing you around?



Anyway, if you read what I wrote earlier, Spain has some blindingly amazing talent, mostly concentrated in Navarro and P. Gasol. Altogether the team performed supremely and are at a level that all other teams just couldn't reach no matter how hard they tried. However, what I am talking about is that your Spanish players are not gracious winners, and I can remember many a match where the refs were in your heavy and provocative favour, Navarro famous flops, Pau's eternal bitching and moaning (including Navarro too), coupled with today's 'amazing' performances from Rubio and Fernandez where they tried to hit Parker badly. Especially what Fernandez did could have caused serious damage to Parker and Fernandez should have been ejected from the final for this. Again, deeply disappointing for a fine athlete that he is, but as a person he's a downright c*nt.
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#47
Zeus it is ForcaPamesa the Valencia supporter and one of the main posters at 24sec! What do you mean you don't recall seeing him around?! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl' />
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#48
Well... <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />



[quote name='MaccabiTA' timestamp='1316380379' post='34396']

Welcome to the forum <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />

I have only one thing to say- if one team is doing something wrong, getting help from refs etc. it doesn't make it ok when another team does it just cuz 'it was done before' and you can understand why we feel the way we feel about Spain.

Welcome to the forum again!

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Yes, of course but I feel the refs did really well today. Spain didn’t get any favours in THIS tournament. I’m not neutral of course. Thanks!



[quote name='skangles' timestamp='1316380610' post='34397']

^^ Welcome Forca!! Great to see you on TB!! Did you just find the site or have you been lurking around here for a while? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />

Please stick around, your contribution was always excellent over at 24sec.

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Thanks Skangles! I saw the site a few months ago from the 24sec forum, but I was so busy with things at University to write in the forum. I read it sometimes when Valencia was having a great party in the Euroleague but hopefully I will post regularly from now (my English is quite better now too) <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' /> . So I decided today was the perfect day to be back after saw the negative comments on here (obviously because we won, if not I’m not here I tell you <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> ).



I’m worried because I’m just happy about winning the Eurobasket. Sometimes I miss that type of hard fought games as the Spain-Croatia of 2005. That was aid! In the Olympics I don’t see Spain fighting again for gold, but probably it’s last time to watch Pau Gasol with a Spanish shirt so expect something good.



[quote name='TeoTheGreek13' timestamp='1316380807' post='34398']

Ok, man. It's your opinion, we respect that! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />



...but you can't say Gasol is the best player you've ever seen!!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />

There is some standard things that no matter what the opinion of someone is, are for sure!



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Well, I'm 20 and speak in European levels. I feel like that right now, probably not four years ago. Obviously in my imaginary list! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />



[quote name='ZEUS' timestamp='1316381271' post='34401']

Welcome to the site, I was on 24sec but I never recall seeing you around?



Anyway, if you read what I wrote earlier, Spain has some blindingly amazing talent, mostly concentrated in Navarro and P. Gasol. Altogether the team performed supremely and are at a level that all other teams just couldn't reach no matter how hard they tried. However, what I am talking about is that your Spanish players are not gracious winners, and I can remember many a match where the refs were in your heavy and provocative favour, Navarro famous flops, Pau's eternal bitching and moaning (including Navarro too), coupled with today's 'amazing' performances from Rubio and Fernandez where they tried to hit Parker badly. Especially what Fernandez did could have caused serious damage to Parker and Fernandez should have been ejected from the final for this. Again, deeply disappointing for a fine athlete that he is, but as a person he's a downright c*nt.

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Hey, we talked a wee bit about Fotis Katsikaris and their times in Valencia! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> Some Greece-Spain shows too <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> ForçaPamesa at that time. Now Pamesa is gone! And I agree with you in saying that Rudy and others like Llull are cunts. Others as Calderón, Marc and San Emeterio aren’t. And don’t agree about that foul on Parker, although.





...that's all. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />
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#49
[quote name='ForçaVBC' timestamp='1316382953' post='34406']Hey, we talked a wee bit about Fotis Katsikaris and their times in Valencia! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> Some Greece-Spain shows too <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' /> ForçaPamesa at that time. Now Pamesa is gone! And I agree with you in saying that Rudy and others like Llull are cunts. Others as Calderón, Marc and San Emeterio aren’t. And don’t agree about that foul on Parker, although.





...that's all. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />

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ForcaPamesa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Of course! If you'd signed up with the same exact name I would have recognized you first time round <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Cool' />



Good to see you back, I guess you did read my last message on 24sec about migrating here to talkbasket? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />



Yeah, I can definitely agree that not all the Spanish players act like assholes for sure. But the bad apples in the team make it look bad as a whole and takes away what amazing value they have as basketball players <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />



I think you must have heard about the humbled greatness of Diamandids right? Or that of Nowitzki and others <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />
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#50
[quote name='skangles' timestamp='1316382113' post='34405']

Zeus it is ForcaPamesa the Valencia supporter and one of the main posters at 24sec! What do you mean you don't recall seeing him around?! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl' />

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Hey it's been past quite a few years you know! I've been to hell and back during that duration <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Laugh' />



But yeah, thanks for the memory jog <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />
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#51
Spain had an UNREAL 10 blocks in the whole match, with 5 coming from Ibaka!!!! That was also in less than 4 minutes!!! This guy has serious hops, his head clears the basket quite easily <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Blink' />
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#52
The flight back home:



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#53
Nice Chicks <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' />
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#54
[quote name='stefans' timestamp='1316464055' post='34462']

Nice Chicks <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' />

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Moneytalks...!!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Crazy' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/baby.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Baby' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />
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#55
Makes me laugh that they are not only a 'team of winners, but also a team of humanists' because Navarro asked Reyes to hold the European cup up first, because Reyes recently lost his father. Like that selfless act is going to change of what arrogant sonofabitch pricks they are, when Navarro also tells a Lithuanian paper 'I deserved the MVP award'- God that idiot needs some serious slapping around- elite basketball player or not! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Crazy' /><img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl3' />
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#56
[quote name='ZEUS' timestamp='1316481071' post='34491']

Makes me laugh that they are not only a 'team of winners, but also a team of humanists' because Navarro asked Reyes to hold the European cup up first, because Reyes recently lost his father. Like that selfless act is going to change of what arrogant sonofabitch pricks they are, when Navarro also tells a Lithuanian paper 'I deserved the MVP award'- God that idiot needs some serious slapping around- elite basketball player or not! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Crazy' /><img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl3' />

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You know, he's still angry that Diamantidis won the Euroleague MVP!!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/baby.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Baby' />



So he had to... bring it out...!!! <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl3' />
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#57
^ LOL, well Navarro was absent from the court in the PAO-Barca QF's <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl3' />



So I don't see what he's whining about, what a little b*tch <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rolleyes' />
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