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Motiejunas is playing first time in Euroleague and he hasn't even played for NT yet (though Kemzura made an obvious mistake this summer) and you calling it boiling in your own juice. He's competing against Euroleague bigs and Prokom had 5 close games from 6 (only Barsa trashed them). He's playing in very competitive league VTB. It's not like Motiejunas is rotting here for years, It's a new level for him. I'm not saying he's not ready, I'm saying he could be ready even better if he would play in Eurolague for one more year. It's not like he's completely dominating even in Prokom.

No need to rush things up. He's in great position, I would say almost perfect. Imagine being in Žalgiris with his rotation and Žalgiris is pretty much the same level team as Prokom this year. Sagenas, you're obviously too anxious to see Motiejunas in NBA, let him warm the feet in Euroleague and than VTB playoffs what is almost the same as Euroleague. I don't know if Howard can catch him, but he and most of NBA 4/5 players would surely push him now <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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Nah, I'm just simply pissed of by, let's say, stupid posts "that player should wait longer" and every talented player in Europe "should wait longer", everyone keeps saying the same about very player..when players, who didn't wait, plays at the highest level, no one remembers that he "should have waited longer". Asseco Prokom isn't the right place to improve. You know, how can't you call that boiling in your own juice while you are clearly the best player in your position (and probably in the team)? Forget that stuff of tournaments, etc...Euroleague and VTB - okay, but my point is that this season Asseco Prokom suck. You can be the best player in weak team but that doesn't make you good player. If you want to become great, you should train with great players, too, not only play against.



I can bet Motiejūnas will find his way through all this stuff. IMO, people are just too scared because many players failed, however you gotta risk, only then those players will become next Gasols/Nowitzkis.



Kleiza wasn't perfectly ready, too, but he improved and became really good player. If you want to succeed, you must risk. Besides that, Motiejūnas fits bettter to the NBA. Valančiūnas is more questionable at the moment.



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Let's take some examples..Gallinari: drafted in 2008, season before that he averaged about ~17 eff, similar to Motiejūnas, isn't it? (Milano finished in Euroleague with 3-11 record..and Gallinari was 6th pick...no one expects instant results from so late pick as Motiejūnas'...)



Batum: drafted in 2008 (25th pick), in Euroleague averaged 8.5 ppg, 9.9 eff. Sarthe Basket finished with 2-12.



Dragič: drafted in 2008 (45th pick), averaged 9.7 ppg and 9.6 eff..team's record 4-10.



Bellineli: 2007 18th pick. Averages: 12.8 ppg, 8.9 eff. Record 6-8.



Only few examples. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



P.s. all averages are from Euroleague games..

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Nah, I'm just simply pissed of by, let's say, stupid posts "that player should wait longer" and every talented player in Europe "should wait longer", everyone keeps saying the same about very player..when players, who didn't wait, plays at the highest level, no one remembers that he "should have waited longer". Asseco Prokom isn't the right place to improve. You know, how can't you call that boiling in your own juice while you are clearly the best player in your position (and probably in the team)? Forget that stuff of tournaments, etc...Euroleague and VTB - okay, but my point is that this season Asseco Prokom suck. You can be the best player in weak team but that doesn't make you good player. If you want to become great, you should train with great players, too, not only play against.



I can bet Motiejūnas will find his way through all this stuff. IMO, people are just too scared because many players failed, however you gotta risk, only then those players will become next Gasols/Nowitzkis.



Kleiza wasn't perfectly ready, too, but he improved and became really good player. If you want to succeed, you must risk. Besides that, Motiejūnas fits bettter to the NBA. Valančiūnas is more questionable at the moment.



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Let's take some examples..Gallinari: drafted in 2008, season before that he averaged about ~17 eff, similar to Motiejūnas, isn't it? (Milano finished in Euroleague with 3-11 record..and Gallinari was 6th pick...no one expects instant results from so late pick as Motiejūnas'...)



Batum: drafted in 2008 (25th pick), in Euroleague averaged 8.5 ppg, 9.9 eff. Sarthe Basket finished with 2-12.



Dragič: drafted in 2008 (45th pick), averaged 9.7 ppg and 9.6 eff..team's record 4-10.



Bellineli: 2007 18th pick. Averages: 12.8 ppg, 8.9 eff. Record 6-8.



Only few examples. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



P.s. all averages are from Euroleague games..

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I see your point. If a player is talented enough and have a hight goals, let's give him a shot at the highest stage. And I know that Europeans argument "too weak, too young" is already trivial, but pretty much proven at the same time. You find a lot of failures as well. In NBA fails even really good players. That's why scepticism is healthy here.



Again. A lot of playing time against Euroleague's teams and VTB (that is stronger than Eurocup this year I think), strict coach and leader's role. I don't know what would be better. Playing 5-12 minutes for Euroleague's powerhouse and possibility to train against solid PF? Don't forget Prokom had plenty of close games and Motiejunas is kinda pushed to leaders' role, so it's a hell of experience for him and he still just trying to deal it mentally. That's some school and not regression.



I agree he probably should move to another level next year, but we know that Rockets has Scola, Patrick Patterson. I wouldn't like to see Motiejunas picking up garbage time even in his very first season of NBA. Not saying that shouldn't go and compete, just reminding that it might end up to situation when you not even having a chance to train against solid players (not too many training during NBA season) <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />