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Greece NT for Eurobasket 2009
#21
Quote:Diamantidis and Papaloukas and Giannakis were all holding Greece back during the last 2 summers. They played way too slow. Two very methodical point guards and a grind it out old school coach. Also playing numerous players against their strengths and out of position just to accommodate Papaloukas and Diamantidis.



Now that those 3 are gone, Greece will finally be able to score the basketball when they need to.



Don't you think that the slow pace game is better for Greece? Greece doesn't have that many athletic talent's for a fast game. even their athletic talent's (Vassilopoulos, Printezis and Perperoglou) isn't that good, I prefer Bouroussis, Papaloukas and Diamantidis (that play slow pace game) over this athletic players. Greece athletic talent can't match Spain athletic talent for instance, in my opinion it is better for Greece to fight against Spain with their best tool's - size, physical game and pick'n'roll - that are linked to slow paced game.
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#22
[quote name='gambit' date='31 July 2009 - 10:57 AM' timestamp='1249030668' post='18360']

Don't you think that the slow pace game is better for Greece? Greece doesn't have that many athletic talent's for a fast game. even their athletic talent's (Vassilopoulos, Printezis and Perperoglou) isn't that good, I prefer Bouroussis, Papaloukas and Diamantidis (that play slow pace game) over this athletic players. Greece athletic talent can't match Spain athletic talent for instance, in my opinion it is better for Greece to fight against Spain with their best tool's - size, physical game and pick'n'roll - that are linked to slow paced game.

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Vasilopoulos isn't playing either. Actually, I think he will be missed much more than Diamantidis and Papaloukas. Anyway, no I don't agree at all. Greece needs to use their scorers, shooters, and their athletic and quick players. And speed the game up. Now Spanoulis, Zisis, Perperoglou, Printezis, Fotsis, Tsaldaris, Kalampokis, Koufos, Calthes can be utilized properly or even used at all, unlike under Giannakis. The bad thing is that even Kazlauskas is ignoring players like Vasiliadis and Pelekanos (whom Giannakis did bring to the team but never played.) So even still the most athletic Greek player Pelekanos and the best Greek shooter Vasiliadis are still not being used.



But just adding for example players like Kalampokis, Perperoglou and Tsaldaris and releasing Spanoulis and Zisis from playing off the ball and standing around the 3 point line will help. Greece has a lot of perimeter players that can play fast, score the basketball, and shoot. They were never used. It was just let Papalouaks and Diamandtidis dominate the ball and walk it up court every time.



To be honest, Greece should have a much better chance to beat Spain without them. Now there will be more offense and plenty of big bodies for paint defense, post defense, rebounding, and shot blocking. Also there will finally be a great pure shooter to spread the floor with Tsaldaris, something Greece clearly always lacked and Giannakis would never add. That would kill Greece against teams like Lithuania and Spain before.
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#23
via http://www.talkbasket.net



Quote:Jonas Kazlauskas announced the final 12-men roster of the Greek National Team , just one day before the deadline.



The two 'victims' of the announcement are both Aris players, Demetris Tsaldaris and Kostas Papanikolaou.



The final 12-men list is:



Nick Calathes

Vassilis Spanoulis

Nikos Zisis

Ioannis Kalambokis

Antonis Fotsis

Stratos Perperoglou

Kostas Kaimakoglou

Ioannis Bouroussis

Andreas Glyniadakis

Georgios Printezis

Sofocles Schortsianitis

Kostas Koufos
Respect and thanks for everything:

Alvertis, Bodiroga, Jasikevicius, Radja, Wilkins, Vrankovic, Fotsis, Rebraca, Kattash, Gentile, Koch, Middleton, Kutluay, Rogers, Papadopoulos, Becirovic, Tomasevic, Siskauskas, Pekovic, Lakovic, Vujanic, Chatzivrettas, Maljkovic, Spanoulis and many more to follow in the near future.
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#24
I am not sure if anyone else shares my point of view on this but given his average performance throughout the season, his below average performance during the friendlies and Greece's lack of a natural small forward I would drop Printezis and pick Papanikolaou instead. Printezis needs a break: has been playing on the top level for too long, although he is not a top level player, left Olympiacos for Malaja more as an "enemy" and less as a friend and it's like he needs/wants to prove something. Plus, he looks so rusty. At least to me.



Compared to Papanikolaou who has for sure had a really intense summer so far but is a young guy full of enthusiasm and talent. Printezis contribution at the PF position can be found at Kaimakoglou and Bourousis. When Fotsis needs to rest during the games and Kaimakoglou can't cope, Bourousis can play as a PF with Schortsianitis, Koufos or even Glyniadakis playing at C.



I am not criticizing Kazlauskas, he is probably my favourite coach anyways, I am just interested in reading other people's perspectives. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />
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#25
I hope Spanoulis-Zisis duo works out well, this is my main concern.



Spanoulis too turnover-prone and Zisis is a bit 'rusty' after shining CSKA's bench, but I believe in his talent and think he will be Greece's top scorer.



I like the frontline, fresh with Bourou and Koufos and behind them we got some more energy in Printezis and Kaimakoglou.



The SF position is the weakest link, but then again, who else got class SF? I can only come up with Kleiza.
Respect and thanks for everything:

Alvertis, Bodiroga, Jasikevicius, Radja, Wilkins, Vrankovic, Fotsis, Rebraca, Kattash, Gentile, Koch, Middleton, Kutluay, Rogers, Papadopoulos, Becirovic, Tomasevic, Siskauskas, Pekovic, Lakovic, Vujanic, Chatzivrettas, Maljkovic, Spanoulis and many more to follow in the near future.
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#26
[quote name='redglove' date='06 September 2009 - 12:45 AM' timestamp='1252187111' post='18802']

I am not sure if anyone else shares my point of view on this but given his average performance throughout the season, his below average performance during the friendlies and Greece's lack of a natural small forward I would drop Printezis and pick Papanikolaou instead. Printezis needs a break: has been playing on the top level for too long, although he is not a top level player, left Olympiacos for Malaja more as an "enemy" and less as a friend and it's like he needs/wants to prove something. Plus, he looks so rusty. At least to me.



Compared to Papanikolaou who has for sure had a really intense summer so far but is a young guy full of enthusiasm and talent. Printezis contribution at the PF position can be found at Bourousis. When Fotsis needs to rest during the games, Bourousis can play as a PF with Schortsianitis, Koufos or even Glyniadakis playing as Center.



I am not criticizing Kazlauskas, he is probably my favourite coach anyways, I am just interested in reading other people's perspectives. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />

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You got some points, but Papanikolaou himself admitted that he lacks the strength and the bulk to play with the rest of the guys. Printezis only made the final roster last summer, he can afford some more active summers before he has the right to even hint that he is tired, just look what Papaloukas and Diama endured since 2003.



Bit if I was to take Papanikolaou I would drop Glyniadakis. Besides, as you exactly point out because Greece lacks at SF position, Kazla has worked individually with Printezis to use him at that position more, instead of PF.
Respect and thanks for everything:

Alvertis, Bodiroga, Jasikevicius, Radja, Wilkins, Vrankovic, Fotsis, Rebraca, Kattash, Gentile, Koch, Middleton, Kutluay, Rogers, Papadopoulos, Becirovic, Tomasevic, Siskauskas, Pekovic, Lakovic, Vujanic, Chatzivrettas, Maljkovic, Spanoulis and many more to follow in the near future.
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#27
Well, I think you have underestimated Kaimakoglou. What I saw in Acropolis Tournament is a pretty tall guy (2m06) who can shoot well, mark perfectly and play a quality defense for those 10-15 min Greece needs him.He'll be Perperoglou's back up. Printezis is not a SF. NOT AT ALL. No technique, mediocre shootin skills, he's not a perimeter player, never will. I think Papanikolaou is being pressed more than necessary... Well, he's a big talent but nothing more than that. Not ready for this level, not even for 20 mins in Greek A1 level.
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#28
if glyniadakis sees more than 5' throughout the whole tournament it will be a miracle. and if the miracle happens it will be due to large margin wins, which i don't see coming in any game...
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#29
I disagree. I can see him playing against Lithuania and Spain, he has a lot to offer when it comes to giving his team-mates some minutes of rest and tire the opponents. We would Kazlauskas keep him if he wasn't planning to use him? (note that I am not Glyniadakis biggest fan and that I was amazingly frustrated when he joined Olympiacos earlier this summer)
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#30
wow... greece is kicking some ass against fyrom
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