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#21
Wow, I didn't watch Serbia's match against Canada yesterday, but seeing them play against Slovenia, they were pretty abysmal. Teodosic seems out of it, and I think he's the key rhythm-setter for the team, if he doesn't perform, the team overall struggles with their organization and leadership.
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#22
Hellas 74 - Serbia 73, the Serbs once more prove the ethos of their team. 02:30 minutes left to play the game, Teodosic punches Hellas captain Fotsis in the face, a huge brawl ensues, with many Serbian players hitting Greeks behind the back like the cowards and anti-athletes that they are, on top of that Kristic hitting Sofo at least ten times behind the neck, what a fucking asshole. Sofo answers back. Brawl continues, Bouroussis goes to separate Sofo and Kristic, what does Kristic do? He throws a chair at Bouroussis's back and head and injures him badly enough for plenty of blood to run from Bouroussis, and he wasn't one of the active 12 players on the bench!!!!!



I truly hope Kristic gets a couple of years ban for this, Teodosic too. Maybe they become older and they learn how to fight it out in a basketball match PLAYING basketball.



And what's worse? Serbia's NT has a pre-history of fighting between themselves and against other national teams, their true character gets uncovered once more.
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#23
Take a look...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ste4A1v5W...r_embedded
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#24
Shit like this happens... I don't mind, I even like it sometimes...



BUT what [url="http://www.talkbasket.net/news/acropolis-cup-day-3-slovenia-records-first-win-over-canada-serbia-greece-game-comes-to-an-abrupt-end--pic-3593.html"][size="4"]Krstic did with the chair[/size][/url] is simply pussy behaviour and he should be banned for a long time...
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#25
Sure, shit like this does happen. But what's enraging is the cowardly punches the Serbs took behind our boys' backs, look at Kristic hitting Sofo behind the neck like 10 times!!!!!!!



Sofo then turned around to kick Kristic's head in, and Kristic ran away like the b*tch that he is. What a coward. Kristic should have been held in custody for his attack.



I also can't believe that there are asshole fans from Oly-PAO who are seeing the fight through the red or green sunglasses. "Yeah, go on Milos, hit him!"



And it's such a shame there are so many of these profoundly retarded mongoloid motherf*****s too <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Mellow' />
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#26
Well it seems according to ex-FIBA Europe boss, George Vasillakopoulos, no one is going to be punished by FIBA at least:



http://sport24.gr/Basket/ElladaBasket/Et...73877.html
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[quote name='ZEUS' date='20 August 2010 - 03:37 AM' timestamp='1282268236' post='24290']

Well it seems according to ex-FIBA Europe boss, George Vasillakopoulos, no one is going to be punished by FIBA at least:



http://sport24.gr/Basket/ElladaBasket/Et...73877.html

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Krstic should get a ban for about a year. That was really dangerous what he did.
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#28
[quote name='ZEUS' date='19 August 2010 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1282252643' post='24284']

Hellas 74 - Serbia 73, the Serbs once more prove the ethos of their team. 02:30 minutes left to play the game, Teodosic punches Hellas captain Fotsis in the face, a huge brawl ensues, with many Serbian players hitting Greeks behind the back like the cowards and anti-athletes that they are, on top of that Kristic hitting Sofo at least ten times behind the neck, what a fucking asshole. Sofo answers back. Brawl continues, Bouroussis goes to separate Sofo and Kristic, what does Kristic do? He throws a chair at Bouroussis's back and head and injures him badly enough for plenty of blood to run from Bouroussis, and he wasn't one of the active 12 players on the bench!!!!![/quote]



What was Fotsis trying to prove with that attitude after Teo's foul? Ok, It was a foul, just shoot 3 free-throws and play the game. Of course Teo had to defend himself. Hint - Teo (Oly) - Fotsis (PAO).



anti-athletes? you have to be joking me..



What was Krstic supposes to do if he sees tha 150kg man is literaly killing his team mate while he is lying on the ground? Krle is Bjelica's room-mate and his "big-brother". You would not defend your teammate or brother if he was in that position?



Krstic was aiming at Sofo and i'm sorry Bourusis was the one who suffers the injury. This is what was really wrong from our captain and he deserves to be punished by the FIBA. Shame.

But again, what was Bouru doing there if he was not in the protocol? Rules?



Quote:And what's worse? Serbia's NT has a pre-history of fighting between themselves and against other national teams, their true character gets uncovered once more.



You should do your research and investigate why did all things you are reffering to happened. I trully belive we would not be such a basketball nation if we were letting such a small, pitty fools healing their complexes on our players and teams.



Referees are the one responsible for this. Duda's TF are hillarious. It fas friendly game for the love of God and they had to make a point for newly promoted Oly coach. Hint - PAO - Oly.



And when whe had +6 lead it was so obvious that they will push home team for a go that it became un-watchable.



Fotsis is responsible for this. Already explained.





[quote name='ZEUS' date='20 August 2010 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1282266774' post='24289']

Sure, shit like this does happen. But what's enraging is the cowardly punches the Serbs took behind our boys' backs, look at Kristic hitting Sofo behind the neck like 10 times!!!!!!!



Sofo then turned around to kick Kristic's head in, and Kristic ran away like the b*tch that he is. What a coward. Kristic should have been held in custody for his attack.[/quote]



Sofo too, for stunting Bjelica while he was on the floor.



Quote:I also can't believe that there are asshole fans from Oly-PAO who are seeing the fight through the red or green sunglasses. "Yeah, go on Milos, hit him!"



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You've got it here.



Again, Krstic should be punished for what he did. This is our "shame" and leave that to us to deal with it. In one part, I cant blame him, what would you do when you see your room-mate getting hit while he was trying to separate and got stuck on the floor and 150kg humanoid with a shrek-face advancing to him? You would stay and fight? Yeah, right..



Bigger shame is that you guys let your, I dont know how to call that, PAO-Oly disgrace took it's place at the National Teams level.



And Tsartsaris's statement is funniest off all things. I guess it hurts when foreign player is Euroleague MVP. So much you had to spit on him (hint - Diamantidis). I guess it hurts when Zelimir Obradovic = PAO. I guess it hurts knowing you are the one who is on margins while foreigners are the ones whit the spotlights on them, and I'm not reffering only on Serbian players.



This is a disgrace to Basketball.



Krstic has to be punished, but, to be honnest, all of them should be punished.



But, that will not stop us to create this new generation to rule Europe's basketball in the forthcomming years. This hurts also, I guess.



And you, "brothers", you should also be ashamed for a lot of things. Dont try to make this simple as you tried to do.
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#29
[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 01:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']Ok, It was a foul, just shoot 3 free-throws and play the game.[/quote]

It was not a shooting foul. It was a dirty hit in the testicles, a foul which Teodosic does all the time, and which many Serb players do...



Also Teodosic is a punk, to say the least, and that was why Fotsis reacted like this, because he was sure it was no accident... if it was a foul by Paunic for example nothing would happen...



So don't blame Fotsis, but blame Teodosic. He started the fight which ended up with breaking the head of his teammate Bourousis, the arrest and possible punishment by FIBA of his teammate Krstic, the diplomatic deployment of Serbian government by sending a minister to to Athens to have Krstic released by the police, he told his former teammate Sofo "f*ck your mother" (I was shocked when I saw Sofo beating Teodosic who was lying down and couldn't understand why, but now it makes sense...)

Quote:What was Krstic supposes to do if he sees tha 150kg man is literaly killing his team mate while he is lying on the ground?

Oh yes, brave Krstic who was punching from behind in the neck to defend his little brother but when he was face to face with Sofo he ran like a chicken...

Quote:But again, what was Bouru doing there if he was not in the protocol? Rules?

Bourousis was actually trying to stop the fight, watch the video from second one and you'll see Bourousis always trying to stop this shit and come between players and never hitting anyone...



Bourousis might not be my most favourite character for many reasons, inside the court, but he is a good guy...

Quote:It fas friendly game for the love of God and they had to make a point for newly promoted Oly coach. Hint - PAO - Oly.

Ivkovic should be ashamed to be the one who started off this thing (as he himself admitted). Few days before the game he said that Olympiacos lost to PAO because of poor previous coaches (meaning Giannakis, Gershon and KAZLAUSKAS... this is why he tried from the 2nd minute of the game to provoke... (good old Serbian coaches technique which Maljkovic did too... get a technical foul by any means to influence the refs...).



And Kazlauskas, a real gentleman, pointed this out in his itnerview to Lietuvos Rytas by saying this is what happens when some people think they are above others... and Ivkovic sure thinks that... of course that doesn't change the fact that he is a really great coach.



Quote:Fotsis is responsible for this. Already explained.

In your imaginary Serbian world yes. Teodosic hits Fotsis in the testicles, Teodosic gives the first sucker-punch when Fotsis gets into his face, but Fotsis is responsible... yeah sure...



Quote:Bigger shame is that you guys let your, I dont know how to call that, PAO-Oly disgrace took it's place at the National Teams level.

Teodosic gives the first hit to Fotsis... Keselj gives the first hit to Tsartsaris... and it is Greeks who started the PAO-OLY thing... sure...

Quote:And you, "brothers", you should also be ashamed for a lot of things. Dont try to make this simple as you tried to do.

A Serbian accusing Greeks of things to be ashamed of... damn I wonder what Bosnian muslims think about this...
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[quote name='Black Urum' date='21 August 2010 - 10:15 PM' timestamp='1282425321' post='24308']

It was not a shooting foul. It was a dirty hit in the testicles, a foul which Teodosic does all the time, and which many Serb players do...[/quote]



Wow, MANY Serbs do fouls like that?! What a generalization. I would like to see how will that go in some other place rather than this. You would be, at least, a loughing stock saying this..



Ok, it was a foul. Why did Fotsis reacted the way he did? Would not be better just to shoot 3 free throws and give your team +4 lead? No, he had to explain something to a smaller guy, brave him..



Quote:Also Teodosic is a punk, to say the least, and that was why Fotsis reacted like this, because he was sure it was no accident... if it was a foul by Paunic for example nothing would happen...



Teo is a punk who plays for Oly. Big difference. Paunic doesnt play for Oly. You should know better.



Quote:So don't blame Fotsis, but blame Teodosic. He started the fight which ended up with breaking the head of his teammate Bourousis, the arrest and possible punishment by FIBA of his teammate Krstic, the diplomatic deployment of Serbian government by sending a minister to to Athens to have Krstic released by the police, he told his former teammate Sofo "f*ck your mother" (I was shocked when I saw Sofo beating Teodosic who was lying down and couldn't understand why, but now it makes sense...)



Sure I will blame Fotsis because he is the one to blame on for starting all this. If he was man enough to take the "punch" and proffesional enough to keep up with the game, nothing would happen, not even Bouru's injury.



I allready stated that I am against all violence at the court and I surely think that Krstic should be punished. Shame for our team but that is the right way.



Quote:Bourousis was actually trying to stop the fight, watch the video from second one and you'll see Bourousis always trying to stop this shit and come between players and never hitting anyone...



Again, what he was doing at the court? By the rules, anyone who was not in the protocol is not a member of national delegation and is unknown to FIBA's regulations and sanctions to receive. In legal terms, Bouru could be just a spectactor trying to do, well anything.



Again, he didnt deserve that, and this is the last time I'm saying this, I hope you realise that I am against all that violence. i'm just trying to say that you guys are ridiculous trying to blame just our guys for what happened.



Quote:Ivkovic should be ashamed to be the one who started off this thing (as he himself admitted). Few days before the game he said that Olympiacos lost to PAO because of poor previous coaches (meaning Giannakis, Gershon and KAZLAUSKAS... this is why he tried from the 2nd minute of the game to provoke... (good old Serbian coaches technique which Maljkovic did too... get a technical foul by any means to influence the refs...).



And Kazlauskas, a real gentleman, pointed this out in his itnerview to Lietuvos Rytas by saying this is what happens when some people think they are above others... and Ivkovic sure thinks that... of course that doesn't change the fact that he is a really great coach.



Yeah, a real genleman. Give me a brake.

What was Duda trying to do is to make a good position for his team (oly) for the forthcomming season, since he knows it is almost mission imposible.

So, you are blaming Duda for trying to win a game? for his country?

Or he should have just let go to referees to create a win for home team like they always do on that poor excuse of competition?



And yeah, all those coaches are "sitna boranija" compared to Duda. Use google translator.



Quote:In your imaginary Serbian world yes. Teodosic hits Fotsis in the testicles, Teodosic gives the first sucker-punch when Fotsis gets into his face, but Fotsis is responsible... yeah sure...





Teodosic gives the first hit to Fotsis... Keselj gives the first hit to Tsartsaris... and it is Greeks who started the PAO-OLY thing... sure...



A Serbian accusing Greeks of things to be ashamed of... damn I wonder what Bosnian muslims think about this...



Dont you think that Oly-Pao things lost control?

Please, read interbasket forum and you'll see what real and smart Greek people are commenting about this game.

Please do, and dont talk about history and politics.



What is imaginary? That Pao players have some issues with Teo? That Fotsis was trying to make the incident? That Teo is an icon to hardcore Oly fans? And Fotsis and Diamantidis (do I have to remember how he acted against Teo some months ago?) have some unresolved issues with him?



Those are the stuff in your backyard.



We were just trying to win the game. And doing good despite home court advantage and so called "referees". I hope we will meet in SF, I trully do. Then you'll see where is your place <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />
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#31
IMO, Teodosic started everything. Last year, her wasn't like this at all. On al previous preparation games, he was very nervous, for some unknown reason.



But, Urum, u can't generalize stuff like that. Many SERBS DO THAT. It's just not wright thing to say. Many of the players in NT came from Partizan, and Partizan had never had such a problems with domestic players, that would later on play in NT, so that is not true.



And, Urum, dude, u look at Krstic's reaction from not a good angle. He saw big guy punching his team-mate; He reacted in affect, started punching him where ever he could so that he saves his team mate; big guy reacted, and headed towards Krstic to give him some good punches. And what would u do in a situation like that? Stand and let the 150kg man punch u? That is a foolish breavory, my friend. When he saw that his team mate was safe, he than run to save his own ass. I am not saying that what he did was wright, but please, name one person in this whole thing that reacted at least good... No, because affect is that all about, everyone is doing what he can to save people they love and themselves. Krstic was way out of line whit the chair and he deserves a punishment, but don't u blame Serbs for the whole show. They started it, I agree, but Greeks didn't stop it that is also for sure!



P.S. Oly-Pao, there was a fight

Partizan-Hemofarm, there was a fight



As u can see, Serbs and Greeks like to fight, so we cant start talking which people r better...
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this whole fight was stupid, no matter who started it.. for some reason i don't think that's something u do in a freindly game <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' />

that didn't look like a preparation for bball world championship, it looked like the preparation for wrestlemania or something <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Tongue' />
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[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']



anti-athletes? you have to be joking me..[/quote]



Sounds like you forget your own NT's pre-history... remember the fight at Eurobasket between Jaric and Garbajosa, where Jaric got his eyes blackened with punches from Garbajosa? Stojakovic also 'ate' some because he entered the fight too.



And Ivkovic's fights with Subotic (when Duda coached Oly, and Subotic PAO)? Hating him because Subotic was Catholic? How pathetic.



And then you're surprised that I call your basketball team anti-athletes?



During Stankovic's reign in FIBA, people were sick and tired of the non-stop favouritism Yugoslavia/Serbia & Montenegro were receiving.



What about the fights between teammates on the team? I think I remember something like that happening in the 2005 Eurobasket? And Obradovic threw one of the players out for being a punk.



You have all these negative attitude problems associated with your basketball NT, and then you tell me that I'm joking? How about taking a long hard look at yourselves and the 'nationalist pride' that drives you?



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']What was Krstic supposes to do if he sees tha 150kg man is literaly killing his team mate while he is lying on the ground? Krle is Bjelica's room-mate and his "big-brother". You would not defend your teammate or brother if he was in that position?[/quote]



Right, so by that logic, if Krstic had a knife, he would have been innocent of stabbing Sofo, because Sofo was 'killing' Teodosic.



Is that the best you can do to excuse his actions? And yeah, he could stand-up to Sofo face to face, but he didn't do that. He was a coward.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']Krstic was aiming at Sofo and i'm sorry Bourusis was the one who suffers the injury. This is what was really wrong from our captain and he deserves to be punished by the FIBA. Shame.

But again, what was Bouru doing there if he was not in the protocol? Rules?[/quote]



Well at least you recognize Krstic was in serious breach of athletic conduct, and also ended up getting arrested by the police.



Bouroussis was there because he was trying to keep Sofo from grabbing Krstic and sweeping the floor with him. Bouroussis was injured, but part of the 15 men Hellas men's basketball squad. What protocol? What rules? It was a fight!





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']

You should do your research and investigate why did all things you are reffering to happened. I trully belive we would not be such a basketball nation if we were letting such a small, pitty fools healing their complexes on our players and teams.



Referees are the one responsible for this. Duda's TF are hillarious. It fas friendly game for the love of God and they had to make a point for newly promoted Oly coach. Hint - PAO - Oly.[/quote]



I'll agree with you that the refs were pathetic, we got non-existent technicals thrown our way as well in the other games. The refs, especially Hristodoulou, deserved a good b*tch-slapping.



Still, such things do not excuse what your team did. Nothing excuses the hooligan behaviour of the Serbian NT.



Also don't forget that you have yet to prove yourself so much as a basketball nation, because you don't have the option of getting players from ex-Yugoslav federal states, or even Montenegro for that matter. No one is undermining the Serbs either, but you've got a way to go before fully registering your just presence on the world basketball scene. The silver at the last Eurobasket was a good start.



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']

And when whe had +6 lead it was so obvious that they will push home team for a go that it became un-watchable.[/quote]



With your history from Stankovic's favouritism winning you umpteen official matches, you're the last ones that should be talking about any ref favouritism.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']Fotsis is responsible for this. Already explained.[/quote]



You didn't explain anything. The video clearly shows Teodosic throwing the first punch, and Fotsis then spits in his face. This is all began because of Teodosic. He did the same things vs. Diamandidis who has never, EVER got into a fight with anyone or shown anti-athletic behaviour. Teodosic should get fined from Olybiakos because of this, although I doubt that is really going to happen.











[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']

Again, Krstic should be punished for what he did. This is our "shame" and leave that to us to deal with it.[/quote]



He was arrested by the Greek police and will be trialed by a Greek court in the near future.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']In one part, I cant blame him, what would you do when you see your room-mate getting hit while he was trying to separate and got stuck on the floor and 150kg humanoid with a shrek-face advancing to him? You would stay and fight? Yeah, right..[/quote]



Right, so he hit Sofo like a coward, and when the shit hit the fan for Krstic, he ran away because it seemed like he didn't have any testicles hanging between his legs.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']Bigger shame is that you guys let your, I dont know how to call that, PAO-Oly disgrace took it's place at the National Teams level.[/quote]



Really? And how do you propose it should be contained then? I'm curious as to how you think this could be kept from happening, when YOUR team instigates everything? Please.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']And Tsartsaris's statement is funniest off all things. I guess it hurts when foreign player is Euroleague MVP. So much you had to spit on him (hint - Diamantidis). I guess it hurts when Zelimir Obradovic = PAO. I guess it hurts knowing you are the one who is on margins while foreigners are the ones whit the spotlights on them, and I'm not reffering only on Serbian players.[/quote]



Tsartsaris statement was about players like Teodosic getting fed here in Greece and causing so many problems. There are loads of other Greek players who are just as good as him that could be receiving the money instead. MVP awards are the last thing on our boys minds after the borderline diplomatic episode you caused.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']This is a disgrace to Basketball.[/quote]



Genuine fighting in all sports hurts the sport's image.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']

Krstic has to be punished, but, to be honnest, all of them should be punished.[/quote]



I don't think so, your own team was 100% at fault causing the fight. It's clear as day on the videos. FIBA will come out with its final decree this Wednesday.



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']

But, that will not stop us to create this new generation to rule Europe's basketball in the forthcomming years. This hurts also, I guess.[/quote]



What does this have to do with ANYTHING we are talking about so far? Talk about going off-topic.



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='21 August 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1282388264' post='24299']

And you, "brothers", you should also be ashamed for a lot of things. Dont try to make this simple as you tried to do.

[/quote]



Ashamed for what? All we've ever done is support your country economically and politically, and then you have the sheer cheek to want to get on top of the whole situation as well?



Maybe you should take a long, hard look at your nationalist behaviour before you go criticizing others, and you should be grateful that we have supported you so far in all the wars and trials and tribulations you've been through.



All your answer is "bite the hand that feeds you". Nice <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />
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[quote name='Led00' date='22 August 2010 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1282487161' post='24313']

They started it, I agree, but Greeks didn't stop it that is also for sure![/quote]



Greeks didn't stop what? You expected riot police to come into the court?



Serbia started the fight and of course we answered. It really is that simple.
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[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='22 August 2010 - 03:25 AM' timestamp='1282440337' post='24312']

We were just trying to win the game. And doing good despite home court advantage and so called "referees". I hope we will meet in SF, I trully do. Then you'll see where is your place <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />

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You don't win basketball games by fighting.



I too hope we meet in the semi-finals, because tehn you're going to have to swallow your pride when you see what position you end up in <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' /> <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Cool' />
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[quote name='ZEUS' date='23 August 2010 - 06:17 PM' timestamp='1282583865' post='24328']

Sounds like you forget your own NT's pre-history... [/quote]



First of all I can be called a lots of names but being nationaly-driven is not who I am. I just see things as they are, and I hope you got that, or this discussion doesnt have any purpose.



Ok, so you've proven your point. We are "anti-atletes". The reason why I questioned that is because I thought you were reffering to something else. See us that way, I don't mind, there are perfectly good reason why do we have, somethimes, to ac as anti-athletes.



Quote:Right, so by that logic, if Krstic had a knife, he would have been innocent of stabbing Sofo, because Sofo was 'killing' Teodosic.



Is that the best you can do to excuse his actions? And yeah, he could stand-up to Sofo face to face, but he didn't do that. He was a coward.



Ok, what would you do to see someone like Sofo stumping on your friend while he is on a ground? Have you ever been in a fight? Yes? Dont moralise then. No? I didnt think so.



And I am not reffering to a "chair-issue", I already said what I think about that.



Quote:Bouroussis was there because he was trying to keep Sofo from grabbing Krstic and sweeping the floor with him. Bouroussis was injured, but part of the 15 men Hellas men's basketball squad. What protocol? What rules? It was a fight!



Protocol doesnt give a s*** who is Burusis if he is not registered for the game. And he was not. He was just a spectator, like the one tiny-tini dark-tanned Greek who was trying to hit Krstic but just couldnt reach him.

And there are some responsibilities for home team for letting spectators go at the court, no matter what was happening.



Quote:Also don't forget that you have yet to prove yourself so much as a basketball nation, because you don't have the option of getting players from ex-Yugoslav federal states, or even Montenegro for that matter. No one is undermining the Serbs either, but you've got a way to go before fully registering your just presence on the world basketball scene. The silver at the last Eurobasket was a good start.



Dont be such an ignorrant. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Euroleague_Contributors"]Here is something to read[/url]. Just count and you'll see we've proven ourselves much, much earlier, when, just for example, you, didnt had anyone or any medal won to brag with it.



Quote:With your history from Stankovic's favouritism winning you umpteen official matches, you're the last ones that should be talking about any ref favouritism.



Sure, lets blame one man for all the success. And all won games.



Quote:You didn't explain anything. The video clearly shows Teodosic throwing the first punch, and Fotsis then spits in his face. This is all began because of Teodosic. He did the same things vs. Diamandidis who has never, EVER got into a fight with anyone or shown anti-athletic behaviour. Teodosic should get fined from Olybiakos because of this, although I doubt that is really going to happen.



The video shows "anti-athletic" behaviour by Fotsis who could not stand being "hit-to-hurt-as-hell" by a little punk Teodosic so he had to explain him something. Where were refeeres to treat that sort of behaviour with technical fouls?



Again, what would you do if you were in Teo's place? seriously?



Quote:Tsartsaris statement was about players like Teodosic getting fed here in Greece and causing so many problems. There are loads of other Greek players who are just as good as him that could be receiving the money instead. MVP awards are the last thing on our boys minds after the borderline diplomatic episode you caused.



S**t I didnt know this :/ <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' />



This statement is funny, 'case everybody know that it has nothing to do with what happened that night, it was so transparent PAO-Oly thing as I explained and 99% of objective and normal Greeks confirm that.



Further, I would love you to ban all foreigners from you basketball league, especialy our coaches. That would be some interesting competition to follow.



Dont you know who was the coach of Oly while they won one and only Euroleague in their history? And who was one of the best players in that team? And not to start with Obradovic and PAO + Bodiroga..



Quote:Ashamed for what? All we've ever done is support your country economically and politically, and then you have the sheer cheek to want to get on top of the whole situation as well?



Maybe you should take a long, hard look at your nationalist behaviour before you go criticizing others, and you should be grateful that we have supported you so far in all the wars and trials and tribulations you've been through.



I dont see how your economic "support" can measure with billions and billions of money we spend vacationing in your country throughout the history. Again, from this point, Tsartsaris's statement is just idiot-man-talking.



Don't support us ever again.

Have you seen 2005 European championship final? That is support.

And do you know how you have been supporting us in 1995 and 1998?



So, please, stop supporting us. Release all of our's players and coaches from your clubs.



All I am criticizing is your view on the incident.



Quote:All your answer is "bite the hand that feeds you". Nice <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />



At the price to let those like Fotsis to behave like he did or Diamantidis to spit on you led by his inadequance to outplay you? Yeah, stand for yourself.
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The "normal and objective Greek users from Interbasket" you refer to are blind Olympiacos fans who feel Olympiacos first and then Greek, it is not real Greeks fault that we have such idiots holding Greek citizenship...



As for OLY-PAO driven fight you continuously talk about... the greatest fight in an OLY-PAO game took place between two Serbs... Bodiroga and Tomic. In fact the only two real fights I remember from PAO-OLY is the one I mentioned prior and Tomasevic-Woods... again a Serb (and an American, as you can see there was never a direct Greek on Greek fight on PAO-OLY level).



Then I remember two slight fights, between Teodosic-Diamantides and Teodosic-Saras... in both cases Teodosic (a Serb) started first...



Also here is your pal Teodosic hitting players who shoot in the testicles over and over...



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awaWfep6UcQ[/media]



As for Teodosic being an "icon of Olympiacos fans". So is Bourousis, but he never ever started a fight with anyone, especially PAO player... if Olympiacos fans want to have a punk for their icon, it's their own problem. If they see themselves as Olympiacos first and then Greeks, again it is their own problem.



As Olympiacos fans have constantly proven in SEF, they have many problems, especially mental, you can check last season's last final in SEF...



Just because someone is a PAO player, doesn't mean I will automatically support him... when Bodiroga was showing his balls to Greek fans in OAKA in Eurobasket, I didn't like it at all and didn't support it because he was a PAO player... in fact it's one of the things I hold against him, des[ite the fact that he is probably the greatest player of PAO history.
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[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']

First of all I can be called a lots of names but being nationaly-driven is not who I am. I just see things as they are[/quote]



You see things how you want to see them. Not how they are. We are both biased in our own way since our nationalities were on both sides of the fight. And that nationalist thing, I didn't make it up, I had a group of 20-25 Yugo friends, and MANY of them had plenty of nationalist views.



I'm not saying however this applies to you specifically either.



But this is said about Serbs from foreigners, mark my words.



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']

Ok, so you've proven your point. We are "anti-atletes". The reason why I questioned that is because I thought you were reffering to something else. See us that way, I don't mind, there are perfectly good reason why do we have, somethimes, to ac as anti-athletes.[/quote]



Really? Well those who think they have good reason for doing whatever they think are rightfully doing shouldn't be partaking in the sport originally.



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']

Ok, what would you do to see someone like Sofo stumping on your friend while he is on a ground? Have you ever been in a fight? Yes? Dont moralise then. No? I didnt think so.[/quote]



Don't moralize? So is that how Serbs fight? behind the back? And yes I've been in some pretty rough situations myself, but that's beside the point.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']And I am not reffering to a "chair-issue", I already said what I think about that.[/quote]



I know you're not, you're advocating hitting behind the back. The way Krstic was hitting Sofo behind in the neck was extremely dangerous. Any normal person could have had serious injury to their verterbrae, it was for the good luck of Sofo that he's a beast, and good luck for Krstic that his lilly ass was saved from getting a hardcore kicking from Sofo. Krstic at least deserved that.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']Protocol doesnt give a s*** who is Burusis if he is not registered for the game. And he was not. He was just a spectator,[/quote]



What are you talking about? Bouroussis was part of the 15-men NT squad, he wasn't in the 12 playing because he had a fractured metatarsal. He's still part of the team and had every right to be sitting on the bench. This happens on all teams, I don't see what you are going on about 'protocol' for.



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']

like the one tiny-tini dark-tanned Greek who was trying to hit Krstic but just couldnt reach him.

And there are some responsibilities for home team for letting spectators go at the court, no matter what was happening.[/quote]



Yeah, you're right about the topless kid who wanted to beat Krstic, lol. That kind of difference is similar to the difference between Krstic and Sofo. But then, when people saw blood coming from a Greek's head, they were right in wanting to jump into the court and giving you all a good thrashing.



Is that how you believe you should be 'fighting' in certain games? Causing bloodshed?



Honestly I don't know how you can contest the whole situation, you don't have a leg to stand on, yet you want protection after you cause bloodshed of one of our people. You were lucky that nothing worse did happen.



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']Dont be such an ignorrant. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Euroleague_Contributors"]Here is something to read[/url]. Just count and you'll see we've proven ourselves much, much earlier, when, just for example, you, didnt had anyone or any medal won to brag with it.[/quote]



I'm talking about Serbia's achievements as a basketball team, not individual achievements. As 'Serbia', last year's was the first Eurobasket were you played as such, and not as Serbia & Montenegro any more. This hasn't go to do with bragging or anything as such.



[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']Sure, lets blame one man for all the success. And all won games.[/quote]



That kind of tactic isn't going to get you avoiding the fact that you had a hefty amount of help from Stankovic in international competition. Many different countries were sick of that blatant favoritism.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']The video shows "anti-athletic" behaviour by Fotsis who could not stand being "hit-to-hurt-as-hell" by a little punk Teodosic so he had to explain him something. Where were refeeres to treat that sort of behaviour with technical fouls?[/quote]



He went up to him and demanded we he did what he did. Technical fouls don't cover any such behaviour since he didn't do anything to him. That kind of thing happens millions of times, and technicals are NEVER given. So what's your point?





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']Again, what would you do if you were in Teo's place? seriously?[/quote]



Trash talk and walk away from it? Certainly not punch the other in the face.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']This statement is funny, 'case everybody know that it has nothing to do with what happened that night, it was so transparent PAO-Oly thing as I explained and 99% of objective and normal Greeks confirm that.[/quote]



'normal' Greeks? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl3' />



So what if it was? Is that any kind of valid excuse?







[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']Further, I would love you to ban all foreigners from you basketball league, especialy our coaches. That would be some interesting competition to follow.[/quote]



OK? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl3' />







[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']Dont you know who was the coach of Oly while they won one and only Euroleague in their history? And who was one of the best players in that team? And not to start with Obradovic and PAO + Bodiroga..[/quote]



And your point is?









[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']I dont see how your economic "support" can measure with billions and billions of money we spend vacationing in your country throughout the history. Again, from this point, Tsartsaris's statement is just idiot-man-talking.[/quote]



Billions and billions? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' />



Why not just make it quadrillions? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' />



We kept your country alive (weapons, political support, support of war refugees, money, medication, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) during the wars you went through.



But here my point is proved, that instead of being grateful, you're the exact opposite!







[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']Don't support us ever again.

Have you seen 2005 European championship final? That is support.

And do you know how you have been supporting us in 1995 and 1998?[/quote]



You might not like it, but the reason why you're even being considered for entering the European Union is because of us <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rofl3.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Rofl3' />



But whatever you or I say, diplomacy does not work this way, even if there was this unexpected fracas that occurred.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']So, please, stop supporting us. Release all of our's players and coaches from your clubs.[/quote]



I certainly would love that for Teodosic who isn't good enough to be playing here in Greece, First of all because of the person he's proved to be.





[quote name='lord_slawe_' date='23 August 2010 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1282588425' post='24332']At the price to let those like Fotsis to behave like he did or Diamantidis to spit on you led by his inadequance to outplay you? Yeah, stand for yourself.

[/quote]



^ Sorry, I don't understand your English in this sentence.
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[quote name='Black Urum' date='23 August 2010 - 09:38 PM' timestamp='1282595933' post='24337']

The "normal and objective Greek users from Interbasket" you refer to are blind Olympiacos fans who feel Olympiacos first and then Greek, it is not real Greeks fault that we have such idiots holding Greek citizenship...[/quote]



Every single one of them?! Gosh, that is big fail for PAO supporters, lettin' them spread their mental-issues all over the, well, very popular European bball forum.



Unlike yourself, I have read all those threads and there are PAO fans my friend.



Quote:As for OLY-PAO driven fight you continuously talk about...



Ok, I was not reffering to it as a fight thing. It is a rivalry thing. It is sick and over-every-lines-of-normal-sport-behaviour rivalry where referees are being used as they have been used against Duda, where fans are at-the-edge as being shown in your last finals, where players are ever nervous playing against each other and not only Teodosic is the one who got cought in the middle of that war.

It is known that PAO players cant stand Teo and they showed that once more when Fotsis tried what he was trying to do.



Quote:As for Teodosic being an "icon of Olympiacos fans". So is Bourousis, but he never ever started a fight with anyone, especially PAO player... if Olympiacos fans want to have a punk for their icon, it's their own problem. If they see themselves as Olympiacos first and then Greeks, again it is their own problem.



I just stated that as a line being constantly repeated on several sources.

Not Teo's fault, thought.



Quote:Just because someone is a PAO player, doesn't mean I will automatically support him... when Bodiroga was showing his balls to Greek fans in OAKA in Eurobasket, I didn't like it at all and didn't support it because he was a PAO player... in fact it's one of the things I hold against him, des[ite the fact that he is probably the greatest player of PAO history.



Jumping in your mouth a little bit. That didnt stop you to cheer for him and support him after that? So why would Oly fans or us Serbs stop supporting Teo?



We all came to a conclusion that Teo hold the guilt for what was happening but Fotsis do to!



That is all I am saying here.



And about Teo's temperament, and all those things you and Zeus named as a "crimes against" basketball, well, that's just us, Serbs.



But, dont you think its wront to present that as a main thing about bball players from Serbia?

Those are some serious mental issues my friend. It's like only us are doing it, only Teo..



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[quote name='ZEUS' date='23 August 2010 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1282598254' post='24340']

Don't moralize? So is that how Serbs fight? behind the back? And yes I've been in some pretty rough situations myself, but that's beside the point.[/quote]



I'll spell it out for you : Would you stand in front of Sofo and pick a fight against him?

Krstic did what he did, we all react in a different way in that kind of situations. You just dont think and act in seconds.



Quote:What are you talking about? Bouroussis was part of the 15-men NT squad, he wasn't in the 12 playing because he had a fractured metatarsal. He's still part of the team and had every right to be sitting on the bench. This happens on all teams, I don't see what you are going on about 'protocol' for.



Burusis was not a member of 12-men Greek National team who was playing that night against Serbia. He could be Mother Thereza for that matter, he was just a spectator. And 'protocol' and 'rules' and 'regulations' suggests heavy penalties for home teams in case of spectators intruding and taking on visiting teams.





Quote:Yeah, you're right about the topless kid who wanted to beat Krstic, lol. That kind of difference is similar to the difference between Krstic and Sofo. But then, when people saw blood coming from a Greek's head, they were right in wanting to jump into the court and giving you all a good thrashing.



same like when Krstic saw what was Sofo doing to Bjelica, dont you think?



Quote:I'm talking about Serbia's achievements as a basketball team, not individual achievements. As 'Serbia', last year's was the first Eurobasket were you played as such, and not as Serbia & Montenegro any more. This hasn't go to do with bragging or anything as such.



In all those successes from 1995-2002 we had only one, maybe 2 players from Montenegro. But that is not issue right now since my point was proven.



Quote:That kind of tactic isn't going to get you avoiding the fact that you had a hefty amount of help from Stankovic in international competition. Many different countries were sick of that blatant favoritism.



What tactics? One of the most famous and most legendary bball coaches and people recognized and acknowledged all over the world is responsible for every single success of our national teams.



It's a pitty that Vasilokopouls whatever isn't as half as good enough, not even to create some order in PAO-Oly relations.



Quote:He went up to him and demanded we he did what he did. Technical fouls don't cover any such behaviour since he didn't do anything to him. That kind of thing happens millions of times, and technicals are NEVER given. So what's your point?



Noooooooo, that kind of things dont happen millions of times, no man.

You should look a video again and see the intensity of Fotsis acting. He was looking just what Teo gave him. I cant see him thinking that anyone will just mute and let him literaly spit him in his face trying to explain him something.



Quote:Trash talk and walk away from it? Certainly not punch the other in the face.



Punch? Ok.



Quote:Billions and billions? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' />



Why not just make it quadrillions? <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Biggrin' />



We kept your country alive (weapons, political support, support of war refugees, money, medication, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) during the wars you went through.



But here my point is proved, that instead of being grateful, you're the exact opposite!





^ Sorry, I don't understand your English in this sentence.



So, Teo, being foreign employee and plus a Serb has to be gratefull by letting him being spit in the face and letting, I have to say, morrons like Fotsis bully him? Is that your view of being gratefull?



No, no, dont talk about politics. I'm a student of politics and foreign affairs and you dont want to go in there, belive me. Just to say, 'quadrilions' of money Serbian tourists left in past 30 years in Greece are nearly a quarter of your 'help' and 'support' taking the same period of time.



I just cant belive that you are so anti-Serbian. Its just strange, cause we didnt do anything to you. We take that silly "brotherhood" much more serious that you, well, not me, but majority of people and still, it's like you're only waiting for some Serb to screw something up to moralize and act horrified by that.
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