[quote name='miss green' timestamp='1290091865' post='26338']
PAO didn't get last Euroleague's title with Spanoulis and Greece didn't get a title as well last summer. So, the fact that Olympiakos signed Spanoulis doesn't mean that they will win the greek championship.
Spanoulis is a great player but he is not more valuable than Diamantidis! Diamantidis can do many things: scoring, assists, blocks... Bill's game is more "dimensional". This why most of the times he gets the right defense, he can't do much.
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PAO fans will no longer consider Diamantidis the way they do now after this year. Trust me. He has never lead any team to win anything more than a Greek Cup.
One of the most talented players of his generation, Christos Tapoutos (28, 201cm, SG-SF) is having a great season so far.
Greek A1: 12.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2 apg in 26 minutes per game.
Eurocup: 17.5 ppg, 4 rpg, 2 aspg in 28 minutes per game.
[quote name='Black Urum' timestamp='1290600772' post='26461']
One of the most talented players of his generation, Christos Tapoutos (28, 201cm, SG-SF) is having a great season so far.
Greek A1: 12.4 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2 apg in 26 minutes per game.
Eurocup: 17.5 ppg, 4 rpg, 2 aspg in 28 minutes per game.
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Update on Christos Tapoutos:
Greek A1: 12.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27 minutes per game.
Eurocup: 15 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2 apg in 27 minutes per game.
More candidates:
Vangelis Mantzaris of Peristeri. He is a 195cm, SG born in 1990
Greek A1: 8.9 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 24 minutes per game.
Pat Calathes of Kolossos. 208cm SF, born in 1985
14.3 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 1.9 spg, 1.6 spg in 32!!! minutes per game.
Costas Papanikolaou of Olympiacos, 202cm SF, born in 1990
Greek A1: 8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1.1 apg in 18.5 minutes per game
Euroleague: 5.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg in 15 minutes per game.
Costas Vassileiades of Bilbao, 200cm SG, born in 1984
ACB: 8.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14 minutes per game
Demetris Mavroeidis of Bilbao, 208cm C, born in 1985
ACB: 5.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.9 bpg in 17 minutes per game
Loukas Mavrokefalides of Olympiacos, 210cm PF, born in 1984
Greek A1: 6.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg in 15 minutes per game
Euroleague: 9.1 ppg, 5 rpg in 20 minutes per game
Seems like Scott Scyles' name has been discussed as a candidate to take over... very interesting prospect, to say the least.
[quote name='Black Urum' timestamp='1294751248' post='27569']
Seems like Scott Scyles' name has been discussed as a candidate to take over... very interesting prospect, to say the least.
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Scott Skiles? I remember him playing in Olrando and coaching some NBA teams. It would be interesting to see what would he do with Greek NT <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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[quote name='straight forward' timestamp='1294751902' post='27571']
Scott Skiles? I remember him playing in Olrando and coaching some NBA teams. It would be interesting to see what would he do with Greek NT <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Yup, he started his coaching career in Greece, overnight, so it has some base. Of course, the federaiton can't afford much during these bad times...
Scott Skiles would be a great get as the coach of the Greek NT. He's a good coach and he could help them a lot.
Konstantinos Sloukas and Nikos Pappas will be on the team next summer. They are two of the best young talents Greece has and I think that they could play good if they get enough playingtime to show how good they could be. But if they don't play it will be an experience they'll never forget and it will help them during their career
i quit supporting the greek NT after the keys were handed over to the spanoulis-zissis-vasilopoulos-bourousis troika. i predict that team greece will not be successful until at least zisis and vasilopoulos retire
[quote name='suricata' timestamp='1295279414' post='27819']
i quit supporting the greek NT after the keys were handed over to the spanoulis-zissis-vasilopoulos-bourousis troika. i predict that team greece will not be successful until at least zisis and vasilopoulos retire
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How can 4 persons form a troika?
[quote name='Black Urum' timestamp='1295283237' post='27825']
How can 4 persons form a troika?
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i decided to add bouroussis in the end <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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[quote name='Panathinaikos' timestamp='1290123407' post='26355']
PAO fans will no longer consider Diamantidis the way they do now after this year. Trust me. He has never lead any team to win anything more than a Greek Cup.
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you are NAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!
[quote name='Panathinaikos' timestamp='1284572813' post='25004']
1. Spanoulis has been the leading scorer of the team ever since 2006. Papaloukas and Diamantidis have not been the leaders of the team, it's been Spanoulis.
As for this bizarre obsession with Diamantidis...........it's all PAO DOF fans. Without Diamantidis they had an excellent EuroBasket. With Diamantidis they had a horrible WC.
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And at the end of the Spain game, it was Diamantidis and Zisis that choked every single time in the last minutes of the game and caused the loss. Diamantidis has not played well with the national team since 2006, and the year he skipped the team, the national team had their best year in recent memory in 2009.
2. Tsartarris and Papaloukas have NOT retired from the team.
3. There is nothing wrong with the team, it was the last two coaches. They need to get a good coach.
Also, don't compare Glyniadakis to Vougioukas. Glyniadakis has always played VERY well for the national team. Vouguoukas was a disgrace. Glyniadakis does not deserve what you said about him.
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dude.... you have no idea about basketball. even nba.com stated that diamantidis is the best player playing in europe. probably you are a spanoulis' fan and not a basketball fan. just quit...
[quote name='Kenneth23' timestamp='1295266697' post='27797']
Scott Skiles would be a great get as the coach of the Greek NT. He's a good coach and he could help them a lot.
Konstantinos Sloukas and Nikos Pappas will be on the team next summer. They are two of the best young talents Greece has and I think that they could play good if they get enough playingtime to show how good they could be. But if they don't play it will be an experience they'll never forget and it will help them during their career
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Neither one of them is good enough to make the main team. The only way they make it is if they are just gifted a roster spot like Calathes and Koufos were. They would be OK as reserve selections (13-14 spots), but even then they should not actually be selected.
[quote name='suricata' timestamp='1295279414' post='27819']
i quit supporting the greek NT after the keys were handed over to the spanoulis-zissis-vasilopoulos-bourousis troika. i predict that team greece will not be successful until at least zisis and vasilopoulos retire
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First of all, Vasilopoulos has back problems and I doubt he ever plays for the national team again. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with Zisis. If you watch him play with Siena he is still clearly one of the best players in Europe.
[quote name='TeoTheGreek13' timestamp='1296418339' post='28154']
dude.... you have no idea about basketball. even nba.com stated that diamantidis is the best player playing in europe. probably you are a spanoulis' fan and not a basketball fan. just quit...
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Yeah, because nba.com knows about European basketball. Please keep this a serious discussion. And get back to me when Diamantidis wins something without Papaloukas, Siskauskas, Jasikevicius, Spanoulis playing next to him and carrying him in all the big games.
Right now 12 of the 14 should be this:
Spanoulis/Zisis
Vasileiadis/Perperoglou
Tapoutos/Pat Calathes
Fotsis/Mavrokefalidis/Kaimakoglou
Bourousis/Schortsanitis/Tsartsaris
Papaloukas still has not said what he will do. So he could be another guard depending on that. Some other players to consider then should be guys like Batis, Charalampidis, Pelekanos. Papamakarios would also be a good choice, but I believe he said he won't play again unless the coach is willing to select him.
Sloukas, Pappas, and Nick Calathes are possibilities, but only as third string guys that are out of the main team (13-14 spots). They could help as extra depth, but they are not ready to contribute. Calathes has proven that already and Sloukas and Pappas are still not good enough yet either to be rotation players.
Papanikolaou isn't ready at all either. He is basically the weakest part of Olympiacos' team. If Papaloukas does not play then it would be much better to have some veteran guys like Batis or Papamakarios for example, in rotation roles, instead of those young players that still are not good enough.
If Tsartsaris does not play, which so far he has never said he won't, but if he does not, then a third center could be chosen from Koufos (if he wants to play), Mavroeidis, or Vougioukas. As a third string center any of them would be fine.
These 12 players should 100% be on the team though:
Spanoulis/Zisis
Vasileiadis/Perperoglou
Tapoutos/Pat Calathes
Fotsis/Mavrokefalidis/Kaimakoglou
Bourousis/Schortsanitis/Tsartsaris
Get a good coach like David Blatt, take those 12, and then add 2 others like say Batis and Papamakarios or Pelekanos (maybe Charalampidis), something like that, and Greece will be able to challenge for a medal.
Tsartsaris has retired.
Pat Calathes said that playing for Greece NT is a dream for him. If Greece gets Sfairopoulos as a coach, he has good chances of making it.
[quote name='Black Urum' timestamp='1296559333' post='28233']
Tsartsaris has retired.
Pat Calathes said that playing for Greece NT is a dream for him. If Greece gets Sfairopoulos as a coach, he has good chances of making it.
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Tsartaris has not retired from the national team as far as I know. I know that this site wrote that he did, but actually he did not at the time it was said that he did. He was asked about the reports that said he had retired and he said that he never made any such decision and that as far as he knew he planned on playing at the EuroBasket.
There are several ways for players to retire from the team.
One way for example is like Hatzivrettas, Diamantidis, and Kakiouzis - they announce that they quit.
Another way is like Papadopoulos or Dikoudis, where the federation simply won't select them anymore.
Then another way could be like what appears to be happening with Papaloukas, where the player does not quit, and the federation still wants him, but he does not want to practice with the team, or play all summer or whatever. So in effect, he is "retired". Still though, even Papaloukas has not actually officially retired from the team either and he did want to play last summer. But, he certainly appears to be done playing for the national team.
With Tsartsaris, he was "retired" by media speculation. He never actually said he was retiring at that time and the Greek Federation has no reason to not want him anymore, as he has been healthy the last year and when he is healthy he is one of the best 4/5 players in Europe.
As for Pat Calathes, he should not be selected just if his club coach is coaching the national team. And I don't think Sferopoulos should be coaching the national team anyway.
Pat Calathes should be selected no matter who the coach is. He is by far the best Calathes brother and he should have been the one the Greek Federation was more interested in. I know Nick basically got put in the national team as a replacement for Papaloukas, but he just isn't that good of a player yet.
Pat is a really good player. I think him, Tapoutos, and Vasileiadis all really deserve to get a chance. Greece needs to start selecting some scorers and shooters for once. It's gotten ridiculous how they refuse to do so every time. If they picked all 3 of those guys to add to the players already in place then the team would really improve a lot. The guys that can't score and can't shoot, like Nick Calathes should not be relied on as much going forward.
So Tsartsaris is not washed out yet finally? That's what you were saying last year, Panathinaikos.
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Panagiotis Giannakis is reportedly close to be named again head coach of the Greek national team
http://www.pulse.gr/giannakis-tis-ethnik...um=twitter
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Panagiotis Giannakis is reportedly close to be named again head coach of the Greek national team
http://www.pulse.gr/giannakis-tis-ethnik...um=twitter
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Don't believe any bullshit you read...
And as i pledged on my twitter page, in case either Blatt or Giannakis become the new coach I will support Turkey NT in the Eurobasket.
i will support germany either way <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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