Jan 24, 2008, 7:02 pm
Jan 24, 2008, 7:06 pm
One thing I am almost 100% is that if Žalgiris is in the 4th pot they will have no chances of reaching quarter-finals. While Rytas should go through and it would already be a great achievement. I think we should see more convincing wins by Panathinaikos in Top 16.
Jan 30, 2008, 6:12 pm
What we have so far:
Pot 1: Panathinaikos, CSKA Moscow
Pot 2:
Pot 3:
Pot 4: Partizan
Pot 1: Panathinaikos, CSKA Moscow
Pot 2:
Pot 3:
Pot 4: Partizan
Jan 31, 2008, 1:23 am
[quote name='Vilius' date='30 January 2008 - 07:12 PM' timestamp='1201713157' post='3624']What we have so far:
Pot 1: Panathinaikos, CSKA Moscow
Pot 2:
Pot 3:
Pot 4: Partizan[/quote]
1: Panathinaikos, CSKA
2:
3: Zalgiris
4: Olympiakos, Partizan
Pot 1: Panathinaikos, CSKA Moscow
Pot 2:
Pot 3:
Pot 4: Partizan[/quote]
1: Panathinaikos, CSKA
2:
3: Zalgiris
4: Olympiakos, Partizan
Feb 1, 2008, 10:02 am
Pot 1: CSKA, Lietuvos rytas, Panathinaikos, Real.
Pot 2: Montepaschi, Maccabi, Tau Ceramica, Unicaja.
Pot 3: AXA Barcelona, Žalgiris, Efes Pilsen, Fenerbahce Ulker.
Pot 4: Olympiacos, Aris, Partizan, Lottomatica.
I can't of any good draw for Žalgiris while Rytas have good chances to reach quarter finals. All teams in 1st and 2nd pot should defeat Žalgiris unless they show completely different basketball from Top 16 which is impossible.
Pot 2: Montepaschi, Maccabi, Tau Ceramica, Unicaja.
Pot 3: AXA Barcelona, Žalgiris, Efes Pilsen, Fenerbahce Ulker.
Pot 4: Olympiacos, Aris, Partizan, Lottomatica.
I can't of any good draw for Žalgiris while Rytas have good chances to reach quarter finals. All teams in 1st and 2nd pot should defeat Žalgiris unless they show completely different basketball from Top 16 which is impossible.
Feb 3, 2008, 1:48 pm
The draw will be made tomorrow 12:45 CET.
Here are the rules of the daw:
B.- RESTRICTIONS
From the beginning of the draw, teams coming from the same Regular Season group or teams from the same country will not coincide in the same Top 16 group.
Since it is impossible to respect these restrictions 100% (there are three Regular Season groups but four Top 16 groups / in Euroleague Basketball there are countries with four representatives), the following conditions will be enforced:
1) A maximum of two teams from the same Regular Season group may coincide in the same Top 16 group.
2) A maximum of two teams from the same country may coincide in the same Top 16 group.
*Priority between these two restrictions will be given to a), non-coincidence from Regular Season group.
C.- PROCEDURE
- Four draws will be held, one for each level, starting with the first level.
- The levels will be drawn one at a time in order starting with Level 1, with each ball representing a team from the level being drawn. As the balls are drawn, the team that is picked will be placed in the next available spot in the groups following the order (D-E-F-G), taking into account the restrictions stipulated above.
- From the beginning of the draw, if an incompatibility occurs with a team drawn, that team will go to the next available spot (i.e., next available group) until it is no longer possible to avoid incompatibilities.
- If there is no compatible spot available following the above procedures, then the team in question will trade places with a team of the same level following the order of the groups (D-E-F-G), when possible.
- The draw will continue in the manner explained above until all the levels have been drawn.
Here are the rules of the daw:
B.- RESTRICTIONS
From the beginning of the draw, teams coming from the same Regular Season group or teams from the same country will not coincide in the same Top 16 group.
Since it is impossible to respect these restrictions 100% (there are three Regular Season groups but four Top 16 groups / in Euroleague Basketball there are countries with four representatives), the following conditions will be enforced:
1) A maximum of two teams from the same Regular Season group may coincide in the same Top 16 group.
2) A maximum of two teams from the same country may coincide in the same Top 16 group.
*Priority between these two restrictions will be given to a), non-coincidence from Regular Season group.
C.- PROCEDURE
- Four draws will be held, one for each level, starting with the first level.
- The levels will be drawn one at a time in order starting with Level 1, with each ball representing a team from the level being drawn. As the balls are drawn, the team that is picked will be placed in the next available spot in the groups following the order (D-E-F-G), taking into account the restrictions stipulated above.
- From the beginning of the draw, if an incompatibility occurs with a team drawn, that team will go to the next available spot (i.e., next available group) until it is no longer possible to avoid incompatibilities.
- If there is no compatible spot available following the above procedures, then the team in question will trade places with a team of the same level following the order of the groups (D-E-F-G), when possible.
- The draw will continue in the manner explained above until all the levels have been drawn.
Feb 4, 2008, 1:56 pm
Group D
Panathinaikos
Siena
Efes
Partizan
Group E
Rytas
TAU
FenerUlker
Aris
Group F
Real Madrid
Maccabi
Zalgiris
Olympiakos
Group G
CSKA Moscow
Unicaja
Barcelona
Lottomatica
Panathinaikos
Siena
Efes
Partizan
Group E
Rytas
TAU
FenerUlker
Aris
Group F
Real Madrid
Maccabi
Zalgiris
Olympiakos
Group G
CSKA Moscow
Unicaja
Barcelona
Lottomatica
Feb 4, 2008, 1:57 pm
As predicted Panathinaikos got Efes, surprise surprise...
Zalgiris is screwed <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
Zalgiris is screwed <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
Feb 4, 2008, 2:44 pm
This was pretty difficult draw for my team ( Olympiakos Pireaus ). I hope we will get 3 wins in Pireaus, SEF and one win away, propably in Kaunas or Tel-Aviv.
Aris TT Bank was pretty lucky. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
Aris TT Bank was pretty lucky. <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
Feb 4, 2008, 5:00 pm
Unfortunately I was away and couldn't follow the draw live. I said before the draw that whatever the draw is Žalgiris have no chances. My words came true in the best possible way. Yet again 0-6. It's getting boring. Not much I can say. Maccabi have new coach and they won a few games in a row and look different fcompared to the team that we saw with Kattash in charge. Giannakis should change Olympiakos game too and it will only be positive changes plus they will have Macijauskas. Real Madrid were great this year and managed to defeat Panathinaikos that says everything.
Panathinaikos are the favourites in any group. Montepaschi and Efes Pilsen should fight for the second place but in my opinion Italians are the favourites. For Partizan it could be a similar story like Žalgiris.
The positive thing of the draw is that there are good chances to see Lithuanian team in quarter finals. Although Rytas defeated Aris twice, I think that it will much more difficult now. TAU is the main contender for Rytas if they play well. Two years ago Spahija led Rytas to the Top 16 and played against TAU. This time he will be on the other side. If Rytas maintain their form that they were showing in the regular season they have chances to win the group.
Hopefully Barca and Unicaja can bite CSKA once or twice. It should be a fight between Spanish clubs for a second spot.
Panathinaikos are the favourites in any group. Montepaschi and Efes Pilsen should fight for the second place but in my opinion Italians are the favourites. For Partizan it could be a similar story like Žalgiris.
The positive thing of the draw is that there are good chances to see Lithuanian team in quarter finals. Although Rytas defeated Aris twice, I think that it will much more difficult now. TAU is the main contender for Rytas if they play well. Two years ago Spahija led Rytas to the Top 16 and played against TAU. This time he will be on the other side. If Rytas maintain their form that they were showing in the regular season they have chances to win the group.
Hopefully Barca and Unicaja can bite CSKA once or twice. It should be a fight between Spanish clubs for a second spot.
Feb 4, 2008, 6:01 pm
Fixtures
Gameweek 1
Efes Pilsen - Panathinaikos
Siena - Partizan
Lietuvos Rytas - TAU Ceramica
Aris - Fenerbahce
Real Madrid - à ½algiris
Olympiakos - Maccabi
CSKA Moscow - Lottomatica
Barcelona - Unicaja
Gameweek 2
Panathinaikos - Partizan
Efes Pilsen - Siena
TAU Ceramica - Fenerbahce
Lietuvos Rytas - Aris
à ½algiris - Maccabi
Real Madrid - Olympiacos
Lottomatica - Unicaja
CSKA Moscow - Barcelona
Gameweek 3
Siena - Panathinaikos
Partizan - Efes Pilsen
Aris - TAU Ceramica
Fenerbahce - Lietuvos Rytas
Olympiakos - à ½algiris
Maccabi - Real Madrid
Barcelona - Lottomatica
Unicaja - CSKA Moscow
Gameweek 4
Panathinaikos - Efes Pilsen
Partizan - Siena
TAU Ceramica - Lietuvos Rytas
Fenerbahce - Aris
à ½algiris - Real Madrid
Maccabi - Olympiakos
Lottomatica - CSKA Moscow
Unicaja - Barcelona
Gameweek 5
Panathinaikos - Siena
Efes Pilsen - Partizan
TAU Ceramica - Aris
Lietuvos Rytas - Fenerbahce
à ½algiris - Olympiakos
Real Madrid - Maccabi
Lottomatica - Barcelona
CSKA Moscow - Unicaja
Gameweek 6
Partizan - Panathinaikos
Siena - Efes Pilsen
Fenerbahce - TAU Ceramica
Aris - Lietuvos Rytas
Maccabi - à ½algiris
Olympiakos - Real Madrid
Unicaja - Lottomatica
Barceloa - CSKA Moscow
Gameweek 1
Efes Pilsen - Panathinaikos
Siena - Partizan
Lietuvos Rytas - TAU Ceramica
Aris - Fenerbahce
Real Madrid - à ½algiris
Olympiakos - Maccabi
CSKA Moscow - Lottomatica
Barcelona - Unicaja
Gameweek 2
Panathinaikos - Partizan
Efes Pilsen - Siena
TAU Ceramica - Fenerbahce
Lietuvos Rytas - Aris
à ½algiris - Maccabi
Real Madrid - Olympiacos
Lottomatica - Unicaja
CSKA Moscow - Barcelona
Gameweek 3
Siena - Panathinaikos
Partizan - Efes Pilsen
Aris - TAU Ceramica
Fenerbahce - Lietuvos Rytas
Olympiakos - à ½algiris
Maccabi - Real Madrid
Barcelona - Lottomatica
Unicaja - CSKA Moscow
Gameweek 4
Panathinaikos - Efes Pilsen
Partizan - Siena
TAU Ceramica - Lietuvos Rytas
Fenerbahce - Aris
à ½algiris - Real Madrid
Maccabi - Olympiakos
Lottomatica - CSKA Moscow
Unicaja - Barcelona
Gameweek 5
Panathinaikos - Siena
Efes Pilsen - Partizan
TAU Ceramica - Aris
Lietuvos Rytas - Fenerbahce
à ½algiris - Olympiakos
Real Madrid - Maccabi
Lottomatica - Barcelona
CSKA Moscow - Unicaja
Gameweek 6
Partizan - Panathinaikos
Siena - Efes Pilsen
Fenerbahce - TAU Ceramica
Aris - Lietuvos Rytas
Maccabi - à ½algiris
Olympiakos - Real Madrid
Unicaja - Lottomatica
Barceloa - CSKA Moscow
Feb 4, 2008, 8:00 pm
Why are you such a pessimist? Didn't Zalgiris make some home wins? Why not in Top16? Especially if they get Lavrinovic (?)
Partizan must make 2 home wins and keep themselves in the game until the game 6, when PAO will visit Belgrade (hopefully with 5-0 record) and might let them win to qualify...
Partizan must make 2 home wins and keep themselves in the game until the game 6, when PAO will visit Belgrade (hopefully with 5-0 record) and might let them win to qualify...
Feb 4, 2008, 8:22 pm
I'd say realistic rather than pessimistic. Maybe I gave too little chances for Žalgiris but I believe it will like that. Maybe one or two wins in games that mean nothing. Everytime I am optimistic things turn out upside down. Hopefully I am wrong this time.
Speaking about Lavrinovic rumour. That would be a big move by Žalgiris <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />
Speaking about Lavrinovic rumour. That would be a big move by Žalgiris <img src='http://www.talkbasket.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thup:' />