[Vilius]

It's one of the most discussed topics these days so it deserves a thread here. Let's share the most interesting leaks in this thread.

[Black Urum]

I don't think that anything that countries REALLY didn't want to be show has leaked...

I'm just pissed that there is such a blunt war against Wikileaks by official government using even blackmail, and multi billion businesses like paypal, visa and mastercard were recruited to fight against this guy.

[Vilius]

Agreed with both of your points

[Raze Lupin]

Black Urum, on 17 December 2010 - 09:46 PM, said:

I don't think that anything that countries REALLY didn't want to be show has leaked...

I'm just pissed that there is such a blunt war against Wikileaks by official government using even blackmail, and multi billion businesses like paypal, visa and mastercard were recruited to fight against this guy.

I disagree with your first point. Some of the things governments do not want people to know. U.S.A. for example would not like information on infrastructure vulnerabilities. U.S.A. does not benefit from its Arab Allies being exposed to other Arab countries. For instance the possibility of counties like Iran may have people in the current administration that would like the U.S.A. to help over throw their governments. Details about chain of comand and information flow within the U.S.A. military is also not good.

I agree with the second point.

[stefans]

Raze Lupin, on 18 December 2010 - 06:33 AM, said:

I disagree with your first point. Some of the things governments do not want people to know. U.S.A. for example would not like information on infrastructure vulnerabilities. U.S.A. does not benefit from its Arab Allies being exposed to other Arab countries. For instance the possibility of counties like Iran may have people in the current administration that would like the U.S.A. to help over throw their governments. Details about chain of comand and information flow within the U.S.A. military is also not good.

I agree with the second point.

I'm glad that WikiLeaks will expose all document.American soldiers was killing innocent people.

I know because in 1999.Yugoslavia was bombing and American combat aircraft was dropped bomb on civilian train on relation Belgrade-Thessaloniki(Greece).And that man that ordered that he can't sleep like other.
USA is devil in World.And USA is living of wars across the World.That is enough of me.I'm out.

[Raze Lupin]

stefans, on 18 December 2010 - 03:02 PM, said:

I'm glad that WikiLeaks will expose all document.American soldiers was killing innocent people.

I know because in 1999.Yugoslavia was bombing and American combat aircraft was dropped bomb on civilian train on relation Belgrade-Thessaloniki(Greece).And that man that ordered that he can't sleep like other.
USA is devil in World.And USA is living of wars across the World.That is enough of me.I'm out.

Yeah I also think it does some good that Wikileaks it exposing nations secrets.

All countries do dirt for their own purpose. USA is no different. Calling USA a devil is a matter of your perspective. To me it would seem human nature it self is a devil.

[Sagenas]

All countries do bad things, there's no saint. WikiLeaks helps people to know what is really happenning and I like that. People have right to know.

[Black Urum]

Raze Lupin, on 18 December 2010 - 06:06 PM, said:

All countries do dirt for their own purpose. USA is no different. Calling USA a devil is a matter of your perspective. To me it would seem human nature it self is a devil.

First of all I don't believe in Devil, so I can't call USA that. But I can call them scum.

And I know for a fact that some countries are not the same as USA... for example Greece doesn't kill children and women thousands of kilometers away from Athens, for oil...

Greece invented democracy, but Greece doesn't bomb nations who do not have it, to bring them "democracy" by force...

Greece doesn't live off selling weapons to opposing countries, and then creates problems between those countries, to sell even more weapons...

Same goes for many many countries...

[Raze Lupin]

Black Urum, on 18 December 2010 - 08:22 PM, said:

First of all I don't believe in Devil, so I can't call USA that. But I can call them scum.

And I know for a fact that some countries are not the same as USA... for example Greece doesn't kill children and women thousands of kilometers away from Athens, for oil...

Greece invented democracy, but Greece doesn't bomb nations who do not have it, to bring them "democracy" by force...

Greece doesn't live off selling weapons to opposing countries, and then creates problems between those countries, to sell even more weapons...

Same goes for many many countries...

True enough. You'll get no argument from me. I agree with you for the most part. My only point is if you look at human history as a whole even in modern times. We are all devils or scum. You can point fingers all you want but many of the comforts enjoyed by supposedly "peaceful" nations was afforded by slaughter. The present is just another page in human history where people kill each other.

Also personally I wish my country would stay out of other countries affairs. For example Iraq, Vietnam, Korea the bombing of Serbia/Yugo all of this was non of our business. If Saddam is slaughtering his own people its of no concern to me. If Serbs are killing Albanians not my concern if Vietnamese want to kill each other. USA should stay out of other peoples countries. Let them find democracy their own way. We should not be the "policeman" of the world....

This post has been edited by Raze Lupin: 18 December 2010 - 11:18 PM

[stefans]

Black Urum, on 18 December 2010 - 08:22 PM, said:

First of all I don't believe in Devil, so I can't call USA that. But I can call them scum.

And I know for a fact that some countries are not the same as USA... for example Greece doesn't kill children and women thousands of kilometers away from Athens, for oil...

Greece invented democracy, but Greece doesn't bomb nations who do not have it, to bring them "democracy" by force...

Greece doesn't live off selling weapons to opposing countries, and then creates problems between those countries, to sell even more weapons...

Same goes for many many countries...

Switzerland is neutral.But they sell weapons in huge numbers.

[stefans]

Raze Lupin, on 18 December 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

USA should stay out of other peoples countries. Let them find democracy their own way. We should not be the "policeman" of the world....

It would be good that.

[Sagenas]

Today I have read interesting interview with Russian guy who is one of the biggest person in "black communications". He thinks that WikiLeaks may be made by USA - it's like they want to show what can happen if other countries go against them. But also, he is Russian so it may be too personal as we know relationships between USA and Russia.